Give me a legitimate reason to NOT have a LFD tool.

Fear mongering and ignorance is a great thing isn't it? Sorry senatsu, but out of the few months I played WoW I never came across any of that, and my roommate still plays WoW and he never comes across any of that and he has been playing for years. Once in a blue moon he may come across a random jerk, but simply kicking them and putting them on /ignore means he will never get queued with him again.

All the little negatives people bring up and all the fear mongering DOES NOT outweigh the convenience of a LFD and its such a rare occurrence that its negligible anyways. If it's happening alot for you then clearly YOU are the instigator to begin with. I'm sorry, but I hate sitting on the fleet spamming chat trying to build a group and then look over my should and see my roommate has done several dungeons in the same time frame of which I've managed to MAYBE get one FP done because the amount of time I spent on the fleet trying to get a group together when I COULD have been out doing other things while waiting for the queue to build a team.

And before anyone tells me I don't know anything about a community I have been around the block long before WoW ever even existed with FFXI being the longest I played a MMO which was for 8 years. While yes FFXI had the best community I had ever experienced, this is no longer 2003. The days of spamming chat and spending hours in a main city is long gone. It's time for swtor to move into present time. A community CAN AND DOES exist with a LFD in place. People still chat in the main chat channels, people still build guilds, people still make friends, guilds still do events together. The only thing that changes is that for people like me who play at odd hours due to work can still run the content during the week while on the weekends I can run it with my guild.

The negatives DO NOT outweigh the positives of a LFD. This isn't 1999 anymore, the community will not change, so take off the rose colored glasses and stop with the fear mongering. Have you ever heard the phrase nostalgia's a *****? Nothing is ever what you remember. Your precious communities had the same trolls/jerks/ninjas back then as they do now. The difference? Doing the content more often makes it seem like they are more common. The reality? It really isn't and it just appears to be when it actually happens, which is extremely rare. People who claim that it happens a lot are clearly the ones instigating everything, so in reality you are the problem then.

I lolled at this. To me it says 'I am 14 and have the attentions span of a fruit fly.'

The problem with LFD, particularly cross server LFD is it destroys what little community MMO's have these days. OMG spending 10 minutes to find a group for an FP (because you didn't socialise of make friends while levelling) is too much!!! LFD means that there is little to no point in creating guilds, there is no need for them. LFD just makes the game more single player or non social coop where you are thrust together with people you don't talk to just so you can do an FP so you can get an arbitrary sense of achievement.

LFD tools remove what little social accountability people have on MMO's. You can be a complete ******* with no negative repercussions because you are just a random dealing with randoms. WoW's community went into the toilet the more cross server stuff they implemented. No longer did people make friends through PvP or have to communicate to work as a team. No longer did people actually care to socialise with people or play their best for the group so they could have a good reputation to make grouping easier.

LFD bred a group of people that play MMO's as a means to self glorify or troll other people without consequence. We have forums for that behaviour.

I don't mind a server only LFG tool where you can advertise without spamming general.

Even WoW's glorified LFD tool could have long waits attached to it since people stopped rolling tanks or healers because it was easier to coast as a DPS class or basically get carried through instances without having to do any work. Some DPS still waited hours to get a group. It ulitmately caused at least as many problems as it solved. LFD never fixed any problems for people that were social and halfway decent at their class. I have never had to wait more the 20 minutes to find a group if I was looking as I socialise, befriend people and help them out in return when they need a group.

If you need LFD then maybe oyu need to stop and ask yourself why you are playing an MMO if not to play and socialise with other people while playing. You can get the same sense of false accomplishment playing single player games of pvping in FPSes online.

How long did it take you to think of that? I'm guessing since around December of '11. Just a hunch. Back to the if you like the game you're a fanboy, if you don't you're cool.

Logics arch-nemisis is.......logic?

Listen, if you want to go play a game where you had to wait around with nothing better to do than go play one of your classics that gave you that awsome experience. For me, TIME is money. When I log in it's go time. I don't wait around for one single service I pay for today so why should I in my games? BW is out for money. Letting their customers wait on certain content puts them in a disadvantage to other games.

Maybe business is logics arch-nemisis?

A fully automated cross server LFG tool that acts just like WoW will not be used because it is better. It'll be used because it's the path of least resistance. Because no matter how much gamers claim they want better, how much they claim they want challenge, how much they claim they are "hardcore" they'll always look for the cheat, exploit and the easy way out.

Take Ilum for instance. They will kill trade and look for the easiest way to get valor then complain that they're bored. that World PvP is dead, that there's no challenge. Yet they avoid it like the plague.

What I find interesting is you all claim you want to find parties easier and yet you wish not to entertain a server only option. Every game is different. Some people come here because they're bored or disgruntled about how things were done in another game. So why do you expect a server only LFG to fail off the bat?

Let me ask this. If a server only LFG Tool allows everyone to find parties easier EVEN on low population server/facrions will that be cool with you?

We really need something. I love this game to no end but the one thing that is bugging me like an itch you just can't reach is the lack of any useful means to find a group.

This isn't just about flashpoints either as this game is so heavy on the world quest grouping with heroic missions.

And we don't need a mindless queue system like a clone of WoW's finder.

What we need is a setup where we can flag ourselves as looking for a specific heroic mission, flashpoint, warzone, or operation and have it show in a server wide list where people can send you a whisper asking you if you'd like to join a group.

No LFG chat channel as that becomes a place for pointless chatter having nothing to do with finding groups.

It's starting to feel like LotRO, where they had all these awesome quests to play out the story but if you joined the game a little late, or were already levelled up, and you didn't have a cadre of RL friends that you played with then you had a snowball's chance in hell of actually finishing that quest and truely experiencing what the game had to offer.

That was a big deal which ended up ruining the key selling point of that game.

Do I really need to sit in the fleet for two hours to find a group for ESSELES? How is that not a waste of my time and energy? If anything causes me to quit it will be the amount of time I sit and petition for a group with no response. And no, guilds are not the answer. You could petition your guild for just as long and end up just pissing them off in the end.

Give us a real solution please.

No it does not. Your old community is still there. You still do not bother interacting with it, since you have transferred your social approach ingame to a matchmaking tool. The one to blame is you, not the tool, for being misused.

And even if it does destroy the community, which is totally false, it is not a bad thing. The genre has evolved, catering to players who have limited playtime, solo'ers, self sufficient crafters, etc.
The age in which all the community needed to work for one man is over.

Well said. Is it a "must have" as some LFD'ers are putting it, hell no. If you can't find a group within 10 minutes of typing LFG blah blah blah then make more friends or get in a guild. I understand that it would make a very simple and easy task even more simple (seriously we are developing cars that drive themselves, next on the block we no longer need to wipe as the toilet does it for us.)

LFD can and might have long ques and STILL not fix the problem you guys are complaining about. At what cost though? I love getting into a PVP match and seeing locals there. On both sides too. "Oh GOD so and so is there, get him" so to speak.

Why oh why do we need an even EASIER function? Probably the same reason people want to boil the game down to a spreadsheet with Gear score, recount etc etc.

Really? How do u read your news? The newspaper? Look at society today and the need for having information ASAP. Cell phones? 3G, 4g, 5g? People waiting in lines for the next smart phone that is 2% better than what they have? Instant downloads, internet speeds, remotes to start your car from the house?

If I'm a 14 year old because of my attention span than I guess the world is turning into a bunch of teenagers.

Too late.