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The reason Sorcerers/Sages are OP in PvP

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The reason Sorcerers/Sages are OP in PvP

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Geewiz
02.12.2012 , 07:02 PM | #591
Quote: Originally Posted by TheLakers View Post
You're a flavor of the month lemming. You deserved those nerfs, just like Sorcs/Sages need to be nerfed for the sake of game balance.
Not very constructive.

Ive plated jugg since pre-launch.

When they nerfed cybertech grenades, it would be foolish to keep them.

Biochem, ill admit, FOTM... but what else is there for a level 50?

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biowareftw
02.12.2012 , 07:04 PM | #592
Quote: Originally Posted by Varicite View Post
Well, you are kind of saying that you want them to spec full balance/madness or full healing only for pvp.
So you will have two truly viable pvp specs? Best ranged (very slightly with the nerf to hyrbid) and best healer? I have one as a sent/marauder and I am pure dps...

Cry me a river. Carnage/Combat is only good for killing badly geared players. Focus/Rage? See Carnage and add to that morons that stand together. Both specs were good when noone had gear. Now they are garbage.

The only viable tree against decent players is anni/watchman because you are knocked back, rooted, stunned, slowed in the majority of your gameplay. Without dots ticking we would be useless.

Again you want it better then everyone else. If they nerf the hybrid spec? YOU STILL HAVE IT BETTER THEN EVERYONE ELSE.

LOL at dual spec being added and you being either the best ranged class or the best healer in the same gear set...

Yeah you would have it SOOOOO bad if they nerfed the hybrid spec. How could you continue to play this game with all the suffering you have to go through as a sorc/sage.
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Tumri
02.12.2012 , 07:08 PM | #593
^ I lol'd. Then I cried.

I rolled Marauder because I thought they would give pure DPS classes REAL options for DPS specs. Two of our specs ended up being terrible. Hybrids have more viable DPS specs than a triple DPS spec AC... but that's another topic entirely so I'll stop here before I go into a big rant about it.
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YMIHere
02.12.2012 , 07:15 PM | #594
Quote: Originally Posted by Smashbrother View Post
They were sages/sorcs because they had 300k healing medals as well. Maybe it's something else besides force armor, but regardless as a healer them being able to get extra medals compared to commandos and scoundrels isn't fair.
I know healing points can be gained by non healers through items and the recharge move (doubt it's 300k though), but I have no idea how a sorc could get protection points. Anyone?




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You can't leap when rooted, and 2 seconds is long enough for them to sprint away and LoS to heal so we can't leap to them. Also, our "2nd leap" is talented so not all guardians have it, but even if they do have it, it's only 10 meters, so it's not effective at all in trying to stick to you.
How about Force Push then? It's getting pretty ridiculous to have to keep looking up other peoples skills.
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matekwong
02.12.2012 , 07:16 PM | #595
I totally agree with the Topic starter.

On my server 70% of the IMPs I have met are sorcs. Imagine a bunch of premade sorcs running around Civil war and Huttball not to mention slideshow Ilum PVP which the Reps can't even get near them.

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Tumri
02.12.2012 , 07:20 PM | #596
Quote: Originally Posted by YMIHere View Post
How about Force Push then? It's getting pretty ridiculous to have to keep looking up other peoples skills.

Juggernaut ability. If you don't know the abilities another class has how can you possibly argue anything about them? In addition to this PvP is all about knowing what your opponent can do to you. If you don't know what other classes can do then you just cannot be a great PvPer.
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Varicite
02.12.2012 , 07:20 PM | #597
Quote: Originally Posted by biowareftw View Post
So you will have two truly viable pvp specs? Best ranged (very slightly with the nerf to hyrbid) and best healer? I have one as a sent/marauder and I am pure dps...

Cry me a river. Carnage/Combat is only good for killing badly geared players. Focus/Rage? See Carnage and add to that morons that stand together. Both specs were good when noone had gear. Now they are garbage.

The only viable tree against decent players is anni/watchman because you are knocked back, rooted, stunned, slowed in the majority of your gameplay. Without dots ticking we would be useless.

Again you want it better then everyone else. If they nerf the hybrid spec? YOU STILL HAVE IT BETTER THEN EVERYONE ELSE.

LOL at dual spec being added and you being either the best ranged class or the best healer in the same gear set...

Yeah you would have it SOOOOO bad if they nerfed the hybrid spec. How could you continue to play this game with all the suffering you have to go through as a sorc/sage.
lol, I've mentioned at least 3 times that I'm a Powertech in this thread. I dropped my hybrid Sorc a long time ago, because well, I just have a lot more fun on my Powertech.

So no, I don't want it better than everyone else.

I just don't feel that the spec is OP, and I certainly haven't come across any that have made me feel that the game was unfair in any way.

There are methods to deal w/ hybrid Sorcs, which instead of even attempting to use, people just laugh outright at and continue to get owned by Sorcs and then come here to the forums to cry.

As an aside, I am a hybrid Powertech for Hydraulic Overrides specifically to circumvent the knockbacks, roots, pulls, pushes, etc. I gave up a ton of damage for my utility; there was a tradeoff.

Sorcs also sacrifice most of the good damage talents for the utility of 0/23/18.
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Datku
02.12.2012 , 07:24 PM | #598
Quote: Originally Posted by Tumri View Post
I'm not asking for a nerf to legitimate specs.

No your asking for the nerf of a spec that works. Why does a pure build have to be more than a hybrid? Just because someone spreads their points out and gets a collection of abilites that senergize well you want to nerf it. Hybrid is not the only spec for Sorcs/Sages. You have healing builds, you have your "pure" lightining build, you have about 3 or 4 different hybrid builds viable in a number of situations. There really isn't a "you must build this way or you're doing it wrong" build. Just about any build can be viable when well executed and practiced. Or are you the only one that is gifted enough to actually call what you do "skill"? Are you a pure build...every single point in one tree? Or are you a hybrid even if you have 31 points in one tree and the remainder in one or both other trees?

No you are asking for a nerf to several (I know of at least 4 different "hybrid" builds that can work decently) options for one class probably because they touched you in your no no spot at some point. What is the problem with hybrid builds? Why must you use "pure" builds when you can spread points over 2 or 3 skill trees to mix and match abilites. You go to the 31 point skill if its any good (and many are not worth 31 points). What makes your spec legitimate any more than my spec?

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Tumri
02.12.2012 , 07:27 PM | #599
^ You clearly did not see the bright red text requesting that people read the ENTIRE ORIGINAL POST. Please do so and post again.
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biowareftw
02.12.2012 , 07:30 PM | #600
Quote: Originally Posted by Varicite View Post
lol, I've mentioned at least 3 times that I'm a Powertech in this thread. I dropped my hybrid Sorc a long time ago, because well, I just have a lot more fun on my Powertech.

So no, I don't want it better than everyone else.

I just don't feel that the spec is OP, and I certainly haven't come across any that have made me feel that the game was unfair in any way.

There are methods to deal w/ hybrid Sorcs, which instead of even attempting to use, people just laugh outright at and continue to get owned by Sorcs and then come here to the forums to cry.

As an aside, I am a hybrid Powertech for Hydraulic Overrides specifically to circumvent the knockbacks, roots, pulls, pushes, etc. I gave up a ton of damage for my utility; there was a tradeoff.

Sorcs also sacrifice most of the good damage talents for the utility of 0/23/18.
Yup when I fight against a team stacked with 4-5 hybrid sorcs as melee, I bust out my shockfrozen pvp trinket that allows me to not me aoe mezzed when I break their shield, knocked back and forth like a ping pong ball and then stunned at the end for a full duration because resolve in this game is a joke.

Many Bothans died to procure the shockfrozen pvp trinket for me all so I could stay on a target for more then 1-2 out of every 10 seconds, due to one stupid hybrid spec in the game.

Thank goodness most sorcs are so bad they never even hit me with their ranged instant cast slow.

Then again their main nuke auto kites for them. Go to love automatic crap in a game. Shield breaks? Automatic cc. Press one button 80 percent of the time? Automatic kite.

Freakin intense gameplay brah.

This marauder didn't fair very well. He got stun locked from range and "skill" won.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ04mfAY2BU
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