The reason Sorcerers/Sages are OP in PvP

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The reason Sorcerers/Sages are OP in PvP

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Spartanik

02.12.2012 , 06:33 PM \| #581
From my experience in pvp sages and sorcerers arent OP, they are ranged classes, so they can jerk from afar ( to manny people this is op) It cleary isnt. its what ranged classes do, once you are close to then you can kill them fairly easy if you are on the same level. Comandos and mercenaries, its other talk though. Tracer missiles and grav rounds deal to much dmg. and their defense stats are insane.
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TetraCleric

02.12.2012 , 06:34 PM \| #582
Quote: Originally Posted by Beslley Fair enough. Just looking at pure numbers though, hybrid puts out more dps if you ignore some of the cc. My point with lightning sorcs still stands, though. 3% isn't a big difference. And the CC gained from the 31 point talent will always be better than any CC you can pick up without losing DPS as hybrid. The only reason you think hybrid is better is because of Chain Lightning AoE's that pad your numbers in Warzones.

justcallmetarzan

02.12.2012 , 06:34 PM \| #583
Quote: Originally Posted by Beslley Did nobody read what I posted? It's fine if you want to move cc talents up trees, but at least admit that going up a full sorc dps tree is gimped as hell. Did you not read what I posted? That the dps difference between 13/28 and 3/7/31 is only about 30 dps? I rechecked, and the actual numbers are: 3/7/31 - 1225 dps 3/31/7 - 1239 0/13/28 - 1265 Quote: Seriously, go thundering blast for pvp and come back and talk. You won't even remotely compete with it. Even with all the cc, it's still terrible. Do you honestly think the only reason we go hybrid is to be op? It's seriously because doing a one tree specialization is AWFUL. If you aren't getting similar numbers by going up one tree then I beg to differ about where "AWFUL" lies.

YMIHere

02.12.2012 , 06:37 PM \| #584
Quote: Originally Posted by Tumri Hybrid Marauder builds do not work. At all. We use a stance system where each spec has all it's abilities dependent on one of three stances. Would you like for me to QQ about Wrath allowing hybrid specs that are powerful? My pure DPS class certainly doesn't have anything close to viable hybrid builds. Maybe they need to just have Wrath effect only lightning strike and crushing darkness? Perhaps then you'd have an argument for SW hybrids being just as viable. As far as stance goes, I made this spec that doesn't have any stance reliances that I can see in the Rage tree. Feel free to fill me in if that's not the case. I have no idea what your big hits are, but I saw Vicious Slash all over the place so I specced that hoping for synergy. You lose Annihilate just as I lose Creeping Terror. Bad spec? Welcome to nerf shoutouts on a new game with no 50 templates on the test server. You haven't used a sorc in any meaningful way, I haven't used a marauder at all.
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Tumri

02.12.2012 , 06:40 PM \| #585
That spec is terrible. Annihilate, Force Crush, and Massacre are our main class defining abilities. They bring the entire talent tree together and that's part of why pre-40 Marauders are terrible during leveling.You cannot do well with that crap hybrid spec. Sorcerers however have a talent tree that is incredibly flexible and that's probably why you're thinking this sort of stuff works with other classes. If only all our ACs were so blessed...
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Geewiz

02.12.2012 , 06:42 PM \| #586
I dont want to see sorcs or hybrid specs nerfed. They need to bring the other classes up to speed. Im really tired of everything getting nerfed. I level cybertech for grenades...nerfed... I level biochem... nerfed.... twice... I level a Jugg... surge nerfed. They need to put that nerf bat away, and come up with improvements to classes.

Smashbrother

02.12.2012 , 06:42 PM \| #587
Quote: Originally Posted by YMIHere It doesn't count towards protection. You sure you're not getting sorc confused with assassins on the scoreboard because they have the same icon? I've never gotten any protection points and I use my bubble as much as possible. They were sages/sorcs because they had 300k healing medals as well. Maybe it's something else besides force armor, but regardless as a healer them being able to get extra medals compared to commandos and scoundrels isn't fair. Quote: Which melee class exactly? Marauders and Juggernauts that have two leaps? Pyrotechs that have a leap and a pull? Assassins that have a pull, a sprint, and a vanish? Or an Operatives that have a vanish and a cleanse? It's far from OP, but by all means keep complaining about that one though. If I get nerfed to lose that it won't bother me in the slightest. =P You can't leap when rooted, and 2 seconds is long enough for them to sprint away and LoS to heal so we can't leap to them. Also, our "2nd leap" is talented so not all guardians have it, but even if they do have it, it's only 10 meters, so it's not effective at all in trying to stick to you.

biowareftw

02.12.2012 , 06:43 PM \| #588
Quote: Originally Posted by Beslley Did nobody read what I posted? It's fine if you want to move cc talents up trees, but at least admit that going up a full sorc dps tree is gimped as hell. Seriously, go thundering blast for pvp and come back and talk. You won't even remotely compete with it. Even with all the cc, it's still terrible. Do you honestly think the only reason we go hybrid is to be op? It's seriously because doing a one tree specialization is AWFUL. Going up a full sorc tree is not "gimped". Anyone that played a frost mage/ele shaman/fire mage can make lightning work with ease. You have instant sheep, a elemental shaman knockback that roots (as lightning), a ranged stun and you have to actually cast spells with a cast time? Welcome to being a caster in all other MMO's. Things you don't have to deal with (that you have to deal with in other mmo's? Dispelling your shield, spell immunity, diminishing returns, cast time on CC, immunity to roots via buffs from healers, dispel having no cooldown and healers making melee gods. Lightning is a hell of a lot better then some of the other garbage secondary specs that other classes have. Seriously you people are so spoiled you actually think all three trees need to be the BEST in the game. Hybrid spec is stupidly op, full balance is STILL the best ranged spec in the game (just not far and away the best), the heal spec is the best heal spec in the game (for pvp) and lightning is better then say... Dirty fighting scoundrel lol. I had no problems leading dmg with it in beta. Was it as good as the other specs? Hell no. It was still viable though. Voidstar with lightning spec and typical baddies who all stand together = LOL. Who the hell is requiring you play as lightning anyways? They already said they are having dual spec in the game soon. You can be lightning for pve if you want and full balance for pvp.
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Varicite

02.12.2012 , 06:57 PM \| #589
Quote: Originally Posted by biowareftw Going up a full sorc tree is not "gimped". Anyone that played a frost mage/ele shaman/fire mage can make lightning work with ease. You have instant sheep, a elemental shaman knockback that roots (as lightning), a ranged stun and you have to actually cast spells with a cast time? Welcome to being a caster in all other MMO's. Things you don't have to deal with (that you have to deal with in other mmo's? Dispelling your shield, spell immunity, diminishing returns, cast time on CC, immunity to roots via buffs from healers, dispel having no cooldown and healers making melee gods. Lightning is a hell of a lot better then some of the other garbage secondary specs that other classes have. Seriously you people are so spoiled you actually think all three trees need to be the BEST in the game. Hybrid spec is stupidly op, full balance is STILL the best ranged spec in the game (just not far and away the best), the heal spec is the best heal spec in the game (for pvp) and lightning is better then say... Dirty fighting scoundrel lol. I had no problems leading dmg with it in beta. Was it as good as the other specs? Hell no. It was still viable though. Voidstar with lightning spec and typical baddies who all stand together = LOL. Who the hell is requiring you play as lightning anyways? They already said they are having dual spec in the game soon. You can be lightning for pve if you want and full balance for pvp. Well, you are kind of saying that you want them to spec full balance/madness or full healing only for pvp.
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TheLakers

02.12.2012 , 06:59 PM \| #590
Quote: Originally Posted by Geewiz I dont want to see sorcs or hybrid specs nerfed. They need to bring the other classes up to speed. Im really tired of everything getting nerfed. I level cybertech for grenades...nerfed... I level biochem... nerfed.... twice... I level a Jugg... surge nerfed. They need to put that nerf bat away, and come up with improvements to classes. You're a flavor of the month lemming. You deserved those nerfs, just like Sorcs/Sages need to be nerfed for the sake of game balance.

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