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The reason Sorcerers/Sages are OP in PvP

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The reason Sorcerers/Sages are OP in PvP

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Varicite
02.12.2012 , 06:23 PM | #571
Quote: Originally Posted by Tumri View Post
It really is that simple. They have TOO MUCH CC right now. So you move just TWO CC talents up the tree. This removes two of their ELEVEN utility moves. I honestly do not understand how people can argue that that much CC capability is balanced. It's like bringing a tranq. gun as your off-weapon to a paintball match. It's just stupid.
I'd say that's balanced if your main weapon is a slingshot while everyone else has Angels.
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biowareftw
02.12.2012 , 06:23 PM | #572
Quote: Originally Posted by Tumri View Post
Our second leap is a 10 meter range attack in our "Rage" tree. Any Marauder that is using a Rage spec is severely gimped for anything but jumping into a group and using Smash for a big crit a few times per game. If you're going to be using every attack from every tree in your arguments I assume I can just start saying Sorcerers can spam heals on themselves and drop purple AoE healing circles on the ground while using Thundering Blast + Chain Lightning w/wrath procs for burst right?
Rage/Annihilation is so far and away worse then ann/watchman I have no idea why these sorc/sages would even mention it.

Oh yeah...it is cus they actually think their class is balanced and have no idea what it is like to be melee playing against all sorc/mercs.

FYI simpletons. The "second charge" isn't a charge. You end up like 2-3 yards from your target. When we ARE BORED and spec rage/focus? We use that thing mostly as part of our dps cycle.

Rage/Focus was good on servers before everyone had experitse, and could possibly be good on low pop realms with fresh 50's.

On a server where everyone is geared it is possibly the worst pvp spec we have. The ONLY reason to run it would be rated warzones for perma transcendence and that will be nerfed to the ground once people figure it out.
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justcallmetarzan
02.12.2012 , 06:25 PM | #573
Quote: Originally Posted by YMIHere View Post
Maybe this is why I don't feel overpowered. I opted for Backlash so my Death Field and DoTs are 30% weaker (does that include my channels aswell?), but I'm less likely to get stunlocked by scoundrels. Any idea where a spec like this sits on the dps scale you were talking about in your post? Just to weigh the loses to still get all the CC mentioned by the OP.

So far as I know, channeled abilities are not in fact periodic damage. Weird, I know. But in a way, it makes sense not to have that talent affect the channel because there is one in the 2nd tier that does.

As far as that spec, you're kind of gimping your dps a bit. I would change to this one for maximum CC potential. I know the point isn't necessarily to maximize dps, but you should still do pretty well there. Most of your damage will come from tab-dotting weakened mind and taking judicious advantage of procs.

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TetraCleric
02.12.2012 , 06:27 PM | #574
Quote: Originally Posted by Beslley View Post
The issue is, if you move all the utility talents you basically cripple the sorc class.
Full lightning spec's damage is awful. Thundering blast damage is a JOKE when compared to an instant chain lightning proc, or a fast force lightning proc. Full madness dps doesn't compare to chain lighting spec damage-wise either.

I agree that the trees need retooled, but just moving utility talents isn't the answer. There needs to be a good hard look taken at the end-tier talents for the dps trees and make them actually worth taking, otherwise all you do is make dps sorcs impotent on the damage side.

The only thing that we can compete with is the hybrid spec, and THAT is the issue.
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Beslley
02.12.2012 , 06:27 PM | #575
Did nobody read what I posted? It's fine if you want to move cc talents up trees, but at least admit that going up a full sorc dps tree is gimped as hell.

Seriously, go thundering blast for pvp and come back and talk. You won't even remotely compete with it. Even with all the cc, it's still terrible. Do you honestly think the only reason we go hybrid is to be op? It's seriously because doing a one tree specialization is AWFUL.

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TetraCleric
02.12.2012 , 06:27 PM | #576
Quote: Originally Posted by Beslley View Post
Did nobody read what I posted? It's fine if you want to move cc talents up trees, but at least admit that going up a full sorc dps tree is gimped as hell.

Seriously, go thundering blast for pvp and come back and talk. You won't even remotely compete with it. Even with all the cc, it's still terrible. Do you honestly think the only reason we go hybrid is to be op? It's seriously because doing a one tree specialization is AWFUL.
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Beslley
02.12.2012 , 06:28 PM | #577
Quote: Originally Posted by TetraCleric View Post
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Not sure what you're laughing about. If you're going to argue with me, at least try to be coherent.

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TetraCleric
02.12.2012 , 06:29 PM | #578
Quote: Originally Posted by Beslley View Post
Not sure what you're laughing about. If you're going to argue with me, at least try to be coherent.
Quite simply put, 31 mad is 3% behind the hybrid spec. And is actually a better PvP spec for a good player.

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Beslley
02.12.2012 , 06:31 PM | #579
Quote: Originally Posted by TetraCleric View Post
Quite simply put, 31 mad is 3% behind the hybrid spec. And is actually a better PvP spec for a good player.
Fair enough. Just looking at pure numbers though, hybrid puts out more dps if you ignore some of the cc.

My point with lightning sorcs still stands, though.

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Varicite
02.12.2012 , 06:33 PM | #580
Quote: Originally Posted by TetraCleric View Post
Quite simply put, 31 mad is 3% behind the hybrid spec. And is actually a better PvP spec for a good player.
31 madness is the kite spec, and does well. It trades the utility of the hybrid for the excellent damage talents at the top of the tree.

Chastising him w/ "lolololol" does not, however, make you sound like you are making an intelligent argument and really hurts your credibility if you were trying to make any real point.
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