The reason Sorcerers/Sages are OP in PvP

^ Most of your points seem to either agree with me honestly. The talents that I'm saying should stay out of the hands of hybrids are the exact same talents you're saying nobody should take. What I'm asking for is to have just those two talents moved up. I mentioned the others because I wanted to show all that a hybrid gets out of the lightning tree. The only overpowered thing I see about Sorcs/Sages is the easily accessible 5s immobilize on knockback and the 3s immobilize on a popped bubble.

The changes I'm requesting wouldn't effect a Sorcerer using a spec like yours in ANY way. I don't want to see the PvE spec nerfed. I want some of the utility talents of the extreme CC-heavy PvP build to be moved up so only full lightning Sorcerers have access to them.

The only overpowered thing I see about Sorcs/Sages is the easily accessible 5s immobilize on knockback and the 3s immobilize on a popped bubble.

As I told you, read his entire post and not just the thread title and his sig to draw your conclusions

Look if it was as simple as you say to counter sorcerers post like these would barely exist. People do complain a lot, but there is an OVERWHELMING outcry about this issue. Also there would be a lot less of them in the game dominating the pvp boards. And matches would not come down to who brought the most sorcs/sages = win.

Your advice of telling melee forgo the initial closer and to just hide behind something...atrocious. That does nothing but render said melee useless (something which the OP already explained to you). And telling us we all just need to get the jump on them is just as lame.

BTW that bubble that goes down so easily? Yah it can withstand the full brunt of an operative's opener and you take very little to no dmg. Then he his out of dps for a lil while. In the meantime you are free to go to town on him.

Here is a newsflash for you Var and everyone with your mindset, most of the players on SWTOR are not "bad". This is a video game designed for ease of use and enjoyment so it's pretty hard to be bad at it. They simply play classes that appeal to them while you stick to classes that have obvious advantages, exploit them to their fullest abilities, and claim everything is hunky dory because everyone else just sucks.

Look i don't expect to change your mind, because obviously your skill is so legendary that you can somehow change developer built in game mechanics with it. But stop belitting the thousands of players out there by insisting they all suck and acting like their concerns are because of it. That's called emotional manipulation. It's the same thing men do to women when she says something feels wrong and he constantly dismisses her and says that no such problem exists.

Great post Tumri and keep up the good fight. Don't let guys like these get to you. You have brought up a very valid game play issue that needs addressing. I hope your request does not go unanswered.

Good post imo.

Sorcs/Sages are way OP in PVP.

Its just the most frustrating fight when you're knocked back, then rooted while lightning tears you up as you run towards them in slow motion. I'm often dead before I even get back to them a second time and that's with full PVP gear.

If I'm not dead, then I get stunned/or whatever that lightning spin thingee is and I'm dead shortly after, nothing I can do about it with 1 CC break on a 2 minute timer.

I think bubble is too strong too, does guard and other damage mitigation effects change the way it works? It just seems that sometimes I hit bubbles forever without knocking them off and other times they seem more reasonable.

As a Scoundrel with Defense Screen I can tell you they are a long way from each other in terms of power, what always seems 1 or max 2 hits shielded can be 5+ on a Sorc.

Their speed burst doesn't seem to work properly when I snare them too, almots like they're unaffected by it while the speed is up.

Sneaking up on a caster while he's busy doesn't involve a legendary amount of skill. I play an AP/Pyro Powertech; I don't think there's a whole lot of people in the game that would say that my class/spec is either OP or that I'm exploiting in some way. I will die if you look at me funny. Yet, I do this all the time.

I have the advantage of having some ranged damage in my arsenal, which I do use to its fullest extent when possible, but if I want to kill a Sorc, I have to close to melee range just like everyone else.

I'm not emotionally manipulating anyone; I said that there is a defeatist mentality going around when dealing Sorcs at the moment because their toolbox can seem very daunting when you don't know all of their drawbacks.

I also said that the lack of a combat log directly contributes to feeling helpless, because the majority of players don't even have the first clue what they are getting hit by.

I simply disagree that Sorcs are OP as a hybrid, because the spec does have its limitations which people cannot seem to acknowledge. Once you understand these limitations and exploit them, then what seemed OP at first might not seem so anymore.

Long post with point by point rebuttals.