Open letter to Bioware about raiding with 16 ppl

I still don't get how you are forced into 16 ppl raids if they drop one more item per run or one better item.
Let me ask you something: Do you get "forced" to play another class because it deals slightly more damage?

I don't think so. Dropping one more item per run or even one better item per run makes such a small difference, that no 8 man raid group is forced to do anything.



Well, most of us started with the 13th of December and were max level within 5 days of played time. It was not that fast, but also not slowly... we started doing 16 man groups in mid of January and also had some 8 man runs before. We were slowly since some hardcore guilds on our server were already running EV hardmodes when we started doing our 8 man normals.....

Thanks for the response, I guess that's the difference between casual Guilds and Guilds that are Hardcore Raiders. Everyone in your guild was more focused in leveling one toon first and doing operations. Where our guild is a casual guild that raids on occasion when everyone has time.

I personally don't like large raids for many reasons, but I do agree that there should be something that seperates it from the 8 mans like gear or mounts. It has to be content that you can play as an 8 man though because I will never see it if it is 16 man only. I got bored and left wow during the crusades cause all endgame content was 25 man only. It sucked.
My idea of large raiding 16+ should be a world event like an attack on a planet or something that everyone who goes there can join in and become part of the raid. Make it more global and epic. I think Rift is on the right track with this idea, but it needs to be perfected and more of an epic raid / world event feel than a rinse and repeat invasion.
An epic battle that everyone can be part of and get rewards for participating.

If there is an additional incentive for raiding 16-mans (or it's more efficient to raid with 16 than 8) then 8-man guilds are 'forced' to raid 16-mans with another guild.

If there is no incentive for raiding 16-mans (or it's equal to raidin 8-mans) then 16-man guilds are 'forced' to raid 8-mans because it's the path of least resistance for exactly the same end result.

Even when you're raiding purely for fun you'll get annoyed at somebody who made a mistake and think "If we only took the 8 best we'd have floored this by now"...

I can't see a balanced solution to be honest, besides only having 1 raid size. :/

There is a solution to everything. The solution for this is very, very simple. Bioware, you are mucking up big time. If the new content you put out next month is the same as the current(ie:faceroll,no challenge,no mechanics,straight RNG.) you will fail. You will be another SWG that is only hanging on because of the fanboys. Get your **** together Bioware!!!

We are a 16 man guild. We know that we can get all the gear we need in 8 mans because we have already cleared 8m NM. 8m NM is on the same caliber as 16m HM. 16m normal was as hard as 8m NM before they nerfed/adjusted operations. Oh, and by the way...thanks for letting us know about ALL the changes you made to operations. Soa would have been such a good fight if you wouldn't have used gay RNG and hired competent people for the job. You have all the concepts and all the wrong ideas. Clean out your office and get programmers in there that actually know what they are doing! *Whew* Now that i got some of it off my chest.

Last thing i want to say...Give something to show that 16m guilds are running 16m. Preferably different sets of gear/mounts. We don't need any stat changes, just let us show we are a organized 16m that goes for the hardest content available!! FYI Tera is looking mighty fine on live stream...watch out Bioware.

Why are there two size raids to begin with anyways (besides the fact they wanted to copy WoW). All it does is cause problems within the game and actually fixes nothing.

You're ignoring an important aspect here. Flashpoints are expected to be cleared by any decently competent group of 4 players without too much issue. Raids, especially on harder settings, are expected to take some time and effort and have a learning curve (or at least, other MMO's have this standard for raids, and it's not just WoW either). The difference isn't supposed to be just a change in numbers, but also a drastic increase in difficulty and need for teamwork. Of course, this doesn't apply at all currently and half the bosses are free loot even on hard, that's where things get all screwy.

I followed this thread for the first 2 or 3 pages then lost interest and I can't be bothered to read through it all. I am not trying to be rude but there it is.

It was said somewhere that tier 2 gear would be available in the 16 man raids at some point. I am not sure if that has changed or not. No, I cannot point to where it was said. It may go all the way back to early beta for all I know. we will know the answer to that by the end of the month I am hoping.

!6 mans at the moment are only good for repair bills and the challenge. Hopefully that will change soon.

Well, I wasn't talking about quantity, I was talking about quality. I think that if 8-man raids drop 2x columi/rakata items then 16-mans should drop 4x columi/rakata items. But I've seen several people mention that there should be superior items that drop only in 16-man ops. IE, a tier set that is better than rakata that is exclusive to 16-man ops. At that point, in order to continue our progression, once we get full rakata we'd have to expand to do 16-man ops. If I misunderstood what people were talking about, whatever, that's how it came across.

I am bumping this for your sake Bioware. Endgame needs to be fixed.