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I think I know what's causing poor FPS for some users (no fix yet)

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Sizzurps
02.12.2012 , 03:03 AM | #601
Quote: Originally Posted by Colow_Leper View Post
True.... but!

(most) Low spec PC owners are (not) having problems,

(most) Medium spec PC owners are (not) having problems,

(most) High spec PC owners are (not) having problems,

and, in (most) cases they have mechanical HDD (I, myself, have a mediocre PC with a mechanical HDD - and I'm not having any problems). There HAS to be some simple setting or other common-denominator that's screwing things up (I want to know - a mate of mine wants to play, but his machine just can't cope with it - as soon as he gets to the fleet - single figure FPS!).

Interestingly, the only other game he had a problem with was a Warhammer one.
Please post your specs. Also, please enable your FPS display (CTRL SHIFT F) and take SSs while visiting a WZ and post them. Make sure to take SSs during combat. Thanks.
"All war is deception.” - Sun Tzu

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ltlsiren
02.12.2012 , 04:54 AM | #602
Bump...

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Gitski
02.12.2012 , 05:15 AM | #603
Bumped .

Have cancelled , but will re sub if i see BIOWARE actually fix major issues Engine / PVP .

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BrokenHaiku
02.12.2012 , 06:50 AM | #604
I'm sort of sidetracking here, but I've been snooping around articles and boards related to HeroEngine, and there's several changes in the pipes that can (read: will) improve performance majorly, such as:

- A completely re-written texture manager.
- Better scalability on multi-core systems. (Read: We're no longer single threaded).
- DirectX 11 support.

However, there's no given release date, and there's no assurance that Bioware will use the update, or when.

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ltlsiren
02.12.2012 , 07:36 AM | #605
bump again...
can't unsub because I'm one of those ******es in the guild who won the Rakata weapons when the final bosses actually dropped loot.

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VegetaL
02.12.2012 , 07:56 AM | #606
ok so just for fun cuz i'm a broke old phool i pulled my hd from my ps3 hooked it up installed swtor on it, my frame rate boosted plus 10.. huttball and voidstar have allways been around 20 fps but the other 1 with the cannons i would run around at about 15 fps dropping to around (8.5). but after i get around 30 fps in huttball and void and around 18 to 20 on the cannon warzone i feel that the cannons are just super bugged out and need to be takin out..
Why do i have to be apart of the 5%

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Xrazor
02.12.2012 , 07:57 AM | #607
In response to the OP, you may be on to something, as that MAY very well be what it's doing for some people. However I simply upgraded to a new CPU/MB/RAM/Vid card on my son's machine and the game is now for the most part smooth sailing.

I only purchased an i3 2120 3.3ghz CPU/8gb DDR3 1600/Asus P67 MB/1gb GTX 460 video card and used his existing 7200 RPM WD Black HD. He had a 9750 2.4ghz quad-core Phenom Gen 1/8gb DDR2 memory/old HP MB and a GT 430 1gb video card.

No SSDs or ramfiles just an upgrade did it for us. He went from 8-11fps in WZ to 24-60+ in Alderan alone. So some users simply require the proper hardware to run this game too, because sadly I believe the system requirements aren't honest. I also don't think it's any ONE thing to solve this FPS issue across the board, it's clear that there's a number of different issues at work here causing people huge FPS losses.

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Xrazor
02.12.2012 , 08:05 AM | #608
Quote: Originally Posted by gullfisk View Post
Its also worth pointing out that people now a days dont know what a good smooth FPS is. They can sit there with 20 - 30 fps and think that its all good and dandy but when in fact they should be hovering around 90 - 110.
You do realize that there's hardly a difference between 60-infinity right?

Look at most high end video card benchmarks too with the most system intensive games, with all the visual bells and whistles turned on without dual GPU setups, most of those are running in 30-40 fps range, which is quite acceptable and quite smooth.

The only way you can "expect" to get a consistent 90-110 fps in ALL games is to own hardware that doesn't exist yet, or run games on low-medium settings and/or bump the resolution down below 1080. And I don't know many who are getting 90-110 consistently in this game. My dual 460s in SLI end up in the 80-110 range in PVE environments a lot, but it rarely stays in that range very long.

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Xrazor
02.12.2012 , 08:07 AM | #609
Quote: Originally Posted by Tsaritsin View Post
The one thing that shocks me is the fact that quite a large number of people with very high spec PC's are having major problems.

Low spec PC owners are having problems,

Medium spec PC owners are having problems,

High spec PC owners are having problems,


What's the one thing that connects all of those three "average joe blogs PC's" in terms of real world performane, ie web browsing and gaming, the two main things that average joe blogs is using his PC for ?,

The answer is the Hard Drive,

The Hard drive in the low spec PC is going to be pritty much exactly the same as the Hard drive in the High spec PC, in terms of real world performance.

All PC components have moved on at a rapid pace in terms of performance, ie CPU's Graphics Cards, RAM (in terms of quantity), Motherboards and System cooling.

But with Hard drives, the only real significant change has been the Size vs Cost Ratio, ie they got bigger for less money.

Soo, average joe blogs, builds himself a performance PC, he buys the latest CPU, GPU, Motherboard, PSU, Nice Case, Lots of Cooling, throws it all together, then -

He loads Windows 7 and SWTOR onto a Hard drive that in the real world is no Different to the Hard drive in a vastly inferior Low spec PC.

So, if the game is making excessive calls to the Hard drive, then EVERYONE will get problems.

And for a guess,

The lucky sods who can afford SSD's are getting slightly better performance, because in terms of real world performance SSD's are slightly better.

They gimped the game to keep the Min Spec at 2gig of RAM, to maintain a wide market audience, and to do that they have to "overwork" the hard drive.

In other words, adding more RAM will not make any difference, the Games set up to call from the Hard drive, instead of pre-laoding into RAM and calling from there.

I am just a PC noob, so if this is all wrong, then sorry, lol

Bioware Built a game that is based on the ONE piece of Hardware that has NOT advanced in the last ten years, except in terms of size/cost, THE HARD DRIVE.

LOL.
Been running on two dif machines, both with 7200 rpm 1tb HDs. The one machine needed everything except the HD upgraded to play this game smooth. The other machine I use has a less popular brand 7200 rpm drive in it and I've never had a major FPS issue with it.

Good theory you have there, but not entirely true. Most cheap PCs won't use 7200 rpm drives either. Actually some mid-range ones don't either.

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Gifloun
02.12.2012 , 08:13 AM | #610
I have the game on a SSD and there was no FPS improvement. The FPS problem comes from the fact the game stops using the GPU when other players start coming on to the screen. Whatever that maybe causing that I am not sure, but the game doesn't use the resourecs that are available to it.
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