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Give me a legitimate reason to NOT have a LFD tool.

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Give me a legitimate reason to NOT have a LFD tool.

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Elgarr
02.12.2012 , 05:49 AM | #31
Lol got to love the people who aren't in favour of it.

There isn't a LFD now, so they don't lose anything when they add it in, because they just don't use it and continue as they do now (really,its that simple? Lol)

How hard is that for people to comprehend!

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Orisai
02.12.2012 , 05:51 AM | #32
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthKhaos View Post
Does that change the fact that there IS one face_hindu? Also PM me which faction and your character name I expect to collect.
I'm gonna ask you a simple question... What is the shortest path between 2 points in space?
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Pink_Saber
02.12.2012 , 05:53 AM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by Elgarr View Post
There isn't a LFD now, so they don't lose anything when they add it in, because they just don't use it and continue as they do now (really,its that simple? Lol)
Think for a second. Do you find it difficult to find groups now?

OK, now imagine that your feature gets added, and people start using it.

Now, here's the part where you're going to need to use a little logic... do you think it'll get harder, or easier, for the people who don't use your system to get groups?

I'm not making any judgement calls here, just pointing out that it's obviously false that adding a system like this wouldn't effect people who don't use it.

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navarh
02.12.2012 , 05:57 AM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthKhaos View Post
You guys DO knw there IS a LFG Tool in the game currently right?
make screensho to you with like 130+ pll on fleet and two flagged lfg and one of them myself?

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freekyjason
02.12.2012 , 05:57 AM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by Orisai View Post
I'm gonna ask you a simple question... What is the shortest path between 2 points in space?
i can answer that ! coke ! oh wait... too much caffiene again *sigh*

*walks out shaking head and muttering obscenities*
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Sotof
02.12.2012 , 05:59 AM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by pipda View Post
Like? Keep going...
Irrelevant to this discussion really. He asked for a legitimate reason why we should not have an LFD tool. I gave him one.
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Isn't a LFD tool beneeficial to all of us? What's the point in making new FPs if people on low-pop servers cannot play them?
To me it is absolutely pointless. I have a good guild and no shortage of people to join up with, in fact I might have too many.

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EvilTrollGuy
02.12.2012 , 06:02 AM | #37
Quote: Originally Posted by Mminas View Post
@OP

You say that the lack of social activities is what is hindering the creation of a good community but aren't hm runs and wz a form of social activity themselves?

True they are, but does it need to be the only social aspect of the game? Isn't it still possible to play with your friends/guildies?

Cross server content destroys any chance of creating a server based community for the sole and simple reason that you don't NEED the community to play anymore.

[COLOR="Red"]No, not really. At any rate giving us more social activites (pazaak, casino, cantina) would make people gather as specific locations/social hubs and ought to please most.

As I said, nothing stops you from playing with your friends and with social activites you'll be having a better time meeting new people. IMO FPs are not the best way to meet new friends anyway. I usually find new friends by doing the heroic missions on planets./COLOR]

I understand that there are people with limited schedules that can't afford to play a game as much so as to be absorbed in it's social part and that's who the LFD as a tool is referring to. But let's face it. These people where never part of the community anyway (through no fault of their own). They paid and keep paying the same amount of money as more intensive players do and they have a right to demand an LFD but that doesn't make the fact that LFD ruins it for some of us any different.

People who might only play 2 hours a day can still be a part of the community. It's not up to you to decide whether or not they'll interact with their surroundings. There can be several reasons to why someone doesn't have a lot of time to play, be it temporarily or always. For instance, I don't mind being 'active' in the community, but since I've just started on my education I simply don't have a lot of time in the week days. In the weekends, however, I have more time. Should I be denied having fun?

The social options you are suggesting will end up in the same place the game is now too: People will start with "CMON let's have Cross server nar shadaa casinos there is noone in my server that plays! CMON let's have cross server match up for the card game i cant find anyone to play with in the few hours i have availiable to play."

[COLOR="Red"]Pazaak is played vs 1 person and can be done in a short amount of time. It'll be easier to find people to play with oppose to finding 3 others, with specific classes.

All these claims are legitimate and honorable but that doesn't mean all of us have to like them.

The LFD tool caters the 2-3hours per day players in the expense of the 5-10 hours per day ones. This is a decision that's up to bioware and it's pretty obvious they are going with the first one. That's not a bad or a good thing. It just depends on which type you are.

How? Are you saying that 'hardcore' gamers are special and make up the bulk of the community? I hardly doubt that. The community are made up of all kinds of players and neglecting on part of it is just wrong.

Hardcore players can still 'socialize' through planetside heroics


TL;DR all cross server content works again the establishment of an active community and that affects the way ppl enjoy the game differently for every player.
We obviously have different opinions, but my answers are in the quote

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Orisai
02.12.2012 , 06:04 AM | #38
Quote: Originally Posted by Sotof View Post
To me it is absolutely pointless. I have a good guild and no shortage of people to join up with, in fact I might have too many.
Same here, in fact i'm the leader of my own guild, which makes way easier for me to form groups with people from my own inner circle. This, of course doesn't apply to everyone, and sometimes it doesn't apply for myself when I'm playing with my alts. This is why we wish to have a system which proved to be successfull in what it was created for.
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EvilTrollGuy
02.12.2012 , 06:05 AM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by Sotof View Post
Irrelevant to this discussion really. He asked for a legitimate reason why we should not have an LFD tool. I gave him one.

To me it is absolutely pointless. I have a good guild and no shortage of people to join up with, in fact I might have too many.
Oh, I'm sorry. Obviously we all have a large roster of friends/guildies to play with at every hour of the day that we may decide to play.

Any kind of improved LFG or a LFD tool is generally looked upon as needed. Just because YOU don't need it doesn't mean the rest of us cannot benefit from it. You are obviously entitled to your own opinion, but I don't really see a reason to post it in this thread.

You 'opinion' is not a legitimate reason to not improve on the current LFG tool, it's simply just you saying "I got enough friends so I don't care" and nothing else.

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Mminas
02.12.2012 , 06:07 AM | #40
It takes too long to get a proper group together for a HM in lots of servers.

This needs to be addressed.

Now let's choose:
Cross Server LFD: cheap and easy but detrimental to the establishment of a server wide community.
Population shifts, merges, transfers, incentives for faction choice, incentives for server choice, organizing of current server populations: expensive, hard to get right and with ambiguous results BUT this is what makes for a good mmo experience.

If you play on Heavy/Full servers you get to find a group fast even without LFD while still having a server wide community and playing with the same people.
If you play on light/standard you are alone in the fleet jumping and LFGing for hours. You are a SECOND RATE client.

LFD hides the server issues under the rug. Warcraft implemented it right before jumping the shark. If swtor chooses to do it (and apparently it did) that is going to be bad for the game in the long run.


TLDR You should be asking for proper server populations/balances and not LFD.