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BW announced their plans to kill server communities yesterday...

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BW announced their plans to kill server communities yesterday...

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Mycrof
02.12.2012 , 03:15 AM | #181
Quote: Originally Posted by Majspuffen View Post
On the contrary, pvp will be worse for it. Accountability will have no impact whatsoever. Join a random BG in World of Warcraft and tell me that that is good pvp.




According to this post you've clearly proven that you're fluent in the English language, so how is it that you have not managed to understand any of the concerns? I could write you a wall of text, but what would be the point? I would just be repeating what so many people have already said. And what has been said is beyond just "bad".

What I wrote in my previous post is simply an effect of why no cross-server services is such a good thing. In wow, I never had anyone whispering me after a battleground. I never whispered anyone after a battleground and I sure as hell didn't team up with anyone lest they were in my guild. Compare that with my previous post and tell me to be optimistic about cross-server queues. Does that help you understand my frustration (if nothing else)? It's subjective. And I'm going to keep supporting these threads in hopes that Bioware will change their mind.

If you do not take these threads seriously, then why even bother to post?
In your previous post you stated you did not get whispered nor did you whisper people from your war zones. So, how is that different then what you just criticized about wow?

Here, these are your words;

Quote:
"I do not pretend that I've had people whispering me after warzones, nor do I pretend to have whispered other people who I've enjoyed playing with. I do not pretend that the majority of people in my friendlist consists of people I've met in warzones."
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Now, attacks on my intellect notwithstanding, explain to me how swtor current pvp system imposes accountability on players. Do we choose not to play with those players that aft through the game? No. Do we remove them from team? No. Do we prevent them from queueing again? No. There is no accountability in swtor pvp, so that argument is just more nonsense.

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THorsblood
02.12.2012 , 03:17 AM | #182
i don't want Cross sever Warzones, i want sever merges so we have healthy populations, instead of ghost fleets and long warzone que times...just saying...
"Killing is bad and wrong. There should be a new stronger word for killing like Bad-wrong or Badong. Yes killing is Badong." ~ The Chosen One ~ Kung Pow

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fest
02.12.2012 , 03:18 AM | #183
Sooooooooooooooo why is expanding the community a bad thing?

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belialle
02.12.2012 , 03:19 AM | #184
Quote: Originally Posted by Mycrof View Post
There is no accountability in swtor pvp, so that argument is just more nonsense.
There is more social pressure to behave when you are grouped with a familiar set of people on a regular basis. It should be fairly easy for anyone to recognize this, I would think.

This hasn't been at the heart of my argument against cross-server queues, but it's not entirely without validity.

@fest: Read the thread. Oh, wait. That was supposed to be a rhetorical question, wasn't it? You're not really interested in hearing any opposing viewpoints, are you? My bad!

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EternalFinality
02.12.2012 , 03:23 AM | #185
Quote: Originally Posted by Turn-XGundam View Post
you do realize reporting people does nothing right.
i snapped once at a guy, he told i would get banned blah blah.
nothing happened not even a warning.
i love carebears like you.
omg he looked at me funny reported, keep reporting.
If there's one thing Bioware did absolutely correct compared to WoW, is that they let you swear whenever you want. Instead of Blizzard's complete idiocy, they took the correct policy of "We have a profanity filter. Use it"

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Smashbrother
02.12.2012 , 03:24 AM | #186
I just remembered this right now, but the "server forums" are actually server group forums. The x-server battle groups will probably be made of the same servers in the server group forums, so x-server Q ing won't destroy the community at all.

You can still make forum posts to talk to other players and talk trash or compliment or just to say "gg".

As for accountability, BW is going to add some kind of deserter debuff in the future so it will reduce the amount of ******s leaving games. As for straight up terribad players, you can simply make a post on the server group forums and start a black list or something.

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Makar
02.12.2012 , 03:27 AM | #187
Quote: Originally Posted by Smashbrother View Post
I just remembered this right now, but the "server forums" are actually server group forums. The x-server battle groups will probably be made of the same servers in the server group forums, so x-server Q ing won't destroy the community at all.

You can still make forum posts to talk to other players and talk trash or compliment or just to say "gg".

As for accountability, BW is going to add some kind of deserter debuff in the future so it will reduce the amount of ******s leaving games. As for straight up terribad players, you can simply make a post on the server group forums and start a black list or something.
I doubt they'll do groups alphabetically... In all likelihood it will be based on server populations.
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EternalFinality
02.12.2012 , 03:28 AM | #188
Quote: Originally Posted by Smashbrother View Post
I just remembered this right now, but the "server forums" are actually server group forums. The x-server battle groups will probably be made of the same servers in the server group forums, so x-server Q ing won't destroy the community at all.

You can still make forum posts to talk to other players and talk trash or compliment or just to say "gg".

As for accountability, BW is going to add some kind of deserter debuff in the future so it will reduce the amount of ******s leaving games. As for straight up terribad players, you can simply make a post on the server group forums and start a black list or something.
The server group forums are alphabetical. It has nothing to do with warzone queues.

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Aaoogaa
02.12.2012 , 03:31 AM | #189
If they roll out cross server it will probably end PVP and the game for me. My server has a great pvp group. Ques pop every few minutes. My server does not need cross server qing.

Bad ideas are still bad. Sad excuse to not roll servers into eachother.
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Majspuffen
02.12.2012 , 03:38 AM | #190
Quote: Originally Posted by Mycrof View Post
In your previous post you stated you did not get whispered nor did you whisper people from your war zones. So, how is that different then what you just criticized about wow?
Perhaps I was wrong about you being fluent in the English language.

"I do not pretend that I've had people whispering me after warzones" = People have whispered me after warzones.

"nor do I pretend to have whispered other players who I have enjoyed playing with" = I have whispered other players who I have enjoyed playing with.

"I do not pretend that the majority of people in my friendlist consists of people I've met in warzones" = The majority of people on my friendlist consists of people that I have met in warzones.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/pretend

Quote: Originally Posted by Mycrof View Post
Now, attacks on my intellect notwithstanding, explain to me how swtor current pvp system imposes accountability on players. Do we choose not to play with those players that aft through the game? No. Do we remove them from team? No. Do we prevent them from queueing again? No. There is no accountability in swtor pvp, so that argument is just more nonsense.
Except there is.

Let's look at how accountability matters from a different perspective;

The awareness of knowing that the people you group up with will recognize you from how YOU behave and perform in a Warzone is enough to at least keep some of the usually loud players quiet. I do see jerks in SWTOR pvp, true, but not in every single game. In WoW, however, there was always someone complaining about how terrible everyone else is and yadda-yadda-yadda bla bla bla.

We cannot choose not to team up with the jerks, no. But the system itself keeps the jerks to a minimum. And the system also punishes the jerks on their own server. If I meet someone who is rude and offends other players in a warzone game, chances are I'm not going to help him or talk to him when I encounter him.

Basically this:
Quote: Originally Posted by belialle View Post
There is more social pressure to behave when you are grouped with a familiar set of people on a regular basis. It should be fairly easy for anyone to recognize this, I would think.