Why Ranged Classes Dominate This Game and Why It needs a fix

Normally I would agree with you. And I will agree that it is indeed next to impossible creating a 100% quantitative analysis of the scenario. As I mention in my post, the scenarios I pressent should be taken by a grain of salt.

However to the actual problem, I would say that I can indeed base it on range as the problem and the solution are both directed towards range.

Spoken in math, the unknown factor which I am trying to find, in order to balance the problem is called x and I use discussion to try and find it. The solution then states a way x can be pressent in order to solve the problem pressented.

As for melee dps in pve: I agree, but I dont know the truth as I dont have a damage meter to base any analysis on

-Z

You forgot:

• Interrupt: Does not limit the dps of melee / limits the dps of ranged

Interrupt does not cause resolve either, just like snares.

Bad Player vs Bad Player = Range is auto-win.
Good Player vs Good Player = Range is no longer auto-win.

I stopped reading the post around page 7. Here's what i can gather from all the comments that are made.

People who die a lot to Ranged believe ranged classes are OP. People who die a lot to Melee believe melee are OP.

This comes down to play-style. I don't have a 50 toon yet, so i can't comment on OP / Not-OP. I can tell you that during the leveling process, it can be frustrating because you don't have all the skills/talents, which causes perceived imbalances.

The problem isn't ranged vs. melee. It's class imbalance. The most common thing i could read was there are some classes with far too much Utility vs classes with no Utility.

If you think Ranged is OP, go play a ranged class. When you get rolled by a melee, don't complain. You're the OP one, not Ranged.

If you think Melee is OP, go roll one. When you get rolled by Ranged, too bad. You're OP, not them.

I agree that all forms of CC should be on the resolve bar. This would cause CC to be used much more sparingly in Warzones. It would become more about using the CC at the right time.


I play BH and Sorc on Imp side. Got tired of being in a group full of Sorcs and BH. Rolled a Gunslinger. I am loving my gunslinger. Much more to my play-style than the others. The only thing i miss is a knockback, but i have other things to make up for the lack of one.

Last night, i got rolled by a marauder. Didn't stand a chance. I was mad, maybe cause i was drinking, and now i'm not. He was lvl 49, i was 16. I don't have all my skills and talents, so i can't really call OP. Unfair! OMGQQ!!

The only class, ranged or not, that i think is currently OP, and needs some rebalancing is the Sorc/Sage. This is pretty much agreed on throughout the forums. They have far too much utility/survivability. I think the biggest problem is that because they are so rampant in the Warzones, the perceived imbalance between Ranged/Melee is clouded. And the fact that we're not level 50.

I really enjoy PvP, much more than most other MMO's out there. Is there an imbalance? Yes, there is. The player base is going to take advantage of those Imbalances. Everybody forgets that balance takes time, because the player base is much more creative in their uses than the guys who designed the game.

yes you can cry that some things shouldn't have gotten out of beta. Go make a video game of this scope, and then complain. Unless you understand the actual process the developers have to go through to fix these things, among the other issues with the game, give them time to fix them.

objective opinions are subjective.

Well.. Snipers are immune to interrupts while in cover, and mercs get a shield to stop interrupts momentarily.

So that leaves the alleged almighty sorcs as the only ones who can be interrupt'd.

Personally, I don't think interrupts should affect resolve. Snares however, yes.

Or maybe snares on a melee only can affect resolve? So that resolve is simply a bar that fills up as you are unable to deal damage due to the enemy? In that case, interrupts may be part of the resolve system in the future. As of now, however, resolve is only dealing with CC.

Ranged isn't OP.

last time i checked, knockbacks give resolve

the OP forgets to mention that while yes a ranged class can indeed attack in melee, their attacks are greatly diminished by either push backs by the attacks of melee or they will simply be interrupted. there is a reason why cc's exist, so a well-played/skilled ranged is able to keep the melee away and dps, while a well-played/skilled melee is able to keep the ranged class in melee.

the OP assumes that damage comes at the same rate, which is a fallacy to begin with. given his example of "damage frames," this assumes that the melee will do the same damage per "damage frame" as the ranged class, which isn't true. melee usually deal a higher amount of damage per "damage frame" than a ranged class could. in his example, it is probably true that the ranged got 4 "damage frames" while the melee got only 3, however, in those 3 "damage frames" the melee should have dealt at least the equal amount of damage to the ranged if not more.

Maybe because there aren't any? I'm a Guardian tank, and the ONLY advantage I have is I can take more damage and that's because I'm tank specced.

sorry dude, but knockbacks don't give resolve, and it's annoying as a melee just getting thrown around like a ragdoll and not being able to do anything about it.

Melee classes are generally harder to play. Marauders and assassins specifically require a ton of keybinds and can have complex rotations.

Once people learn how to play the class they find that it's actually quite powerful and ranged classes need that range of they get beatdown fast.

snipers cannot move while in cover effectively rooting themselves in place for melee.
a merc's shield that makes them immune to interrupts is a cooldown, it isn't up 100% of the time. there is a reason why it's a cooldown....

if snare affect resolve, the only way ranged can even survive in a reasonable fight is to kill the melee before he can even get to the ranged. sounds like fantastic balance changes.