People are exaggerating the few problems SWTOR has.

Beautious! It's all about personal preference, correct? One man's fart can drop an army but be a woman's perfume? Curious though (and please forgive my ignorance), but isn't Fallout 3 a first person shooter? I'm familiar with apples and oranges comparisons, but ... you lost me. And how does TOR not excel at story?

If you remove the dialogues and the star wars name it really isn't that great.

Until they actually play it without being bought out to bash it. What time zone are you folks in? And who cuts your paychecks?

I am one of the Europeans who gets beaten constantly by the dev team. Saturday maintenance that lasts until the afternoon, daily quests that reset at 1pm (no reason to play before 1pm), every maintenance (and there are a lot) is in the middle of the day here, etc. If you add this with the broken endgame it is just to much. I played the game and I loved it until I became 50 and started to raid. Just check my first comments on the forum and you will see for your self. The game isn't that great but it will just take longer time for you to realize that since you don't play as much as others. I was level 50 around Christmas and had killed all raid bosses in the beginning of January. Why should I continue my subscription?

He said it didn't excel (as in overall) because of story. What you think he/she said has a different meaning.

I'd say comparing Side Quest in RPG A with Side Quest in RPG B is an acceptable comparison, regardless of POV. You saying it's "apples and oranges" is not a valid argument. If this logical comparison "loses" you, then I don't think we can continue this discussion.

I won't go into the childish space-similes which abound in the dialogue (e.g. take a common simile or adage and swap the words out to make them sound "spacey" ("Even the most advanced droid can't make a shimmersilk purse out of a Bantha's ear" is an example of writing so hokey that it could be called puerile). I'm sure I don't have to explain this further.

I will, however, humour you with but one example of TOR not excelling at "story".

This game doesn't have any issues at all!! and its everything but boring and linear!
You trivialize it.

Imo the game is not good from the char selection screen to(and EVERYTHING in between) deep end game.

This is somewhat disingenuous. Show me any MMO that has made a profit before it's first few months? It is universally accepted that Rift's release was one of the cleanest in MMO history. Do you deny this?

If you want to compare, let's look at ToR. Some 300 million dollars to make, not including the cost of buying the engine. How long do you think it's going to take to make a profit? bear in mind, that 30% of everything goes to the IP, and they have to continue to pay for the current staff and the additional CS staff.

You say it but you haven't explained why or how.


How? Just because you've been in end-game does not make you an expert. I've 9 years of end-game content in Everquest. Am I an expert too?

What has long queues got to do with end-game content? You cannot argue your point by using everything wrong with any game and then blaming it on end-fame content.


And the 8 bosses were all downed within a few nights. You can have 50 bosses but if they're easily defeated they're worthless.

Everything you have said is promotional. The ToR end-game according to many others is dismal, easily won and basically on farm and nothing more than a dps fest. If that's what you call prime end-game content, then I'm afraid, you lack any knowledge of real end-game content. Additionally, I notice how to omit to mention to mention all the other end-ga,e content that has to be bested before you get to the current content on wow.

Sure, for the many peeps already finished the last expansion on any game, the new expansion offers little. But don't be so fast to dismiss all the other content that came before it.

But that's exactly what you done. And then, called everyone else haters. Rality is reality and the current reality is, ToR what-ever you make of it, is a fledgling MMO with little substance trying to make it in the big world of other MMOs. Right now, it is the flavor of the month because it is new. Because it has such a notable IP behind it, it is of course going to grab a huge player base.

The question really is this; Can the IP and presented game out-perform the needs of the many in a genre with such a wide product choice?

How long will the IP hold the attention of the current subscriber base? Will players stick with the game just because of the IP?

The presentability of the game, if you omit the VO and IP, is lackluster at best. I can point to many games of the 2000-2005 era that were better presented and had far more immersion.

The world changes, technology changes, presentation changes and the player-base changes, all the time. To succeed any new offering has to address all those facets of modern gaming. Does ToR do that? I don't think so. Not by a long way.

The closest MMO you can compare ToR to is another IP based MMO. Star Trek Online. Again possibly an even bigger IP, and look where that is.

You could learn to distinguish between "valid complaint" and "forum whining", it'd do you a world of good in the real world.

For example:
Sir, you can't sit here, this seating is for restaurant patrons only.
GUY: STOP WHINIUNG FFS

^what not to do

OI, WHAT THE HELL IS THIS WAITER, THIS CHAIR IS UNCOMFORTABLE, I SAT IN A COMFIER ONE BEFORE, THIS RESTAURANT SUCKS
Waiter: Can you please specify which area of the chair is causing you discomfort?
Guy: GET ME A COMFORTABLE CHAIR NOW OR I QUIT THIS RESTAURANT

^what not to do also, but a similar example to forums

No trolling or flaming intended, by why do people keep playing/levelling if it was such a drag to them then? Anyone with half a brain would do a little research before heading into a game of this size - especially since MMO developers are famous for hyping their own games to oblivion before release, then patch content and features in as we go.

Any sane normal person would drop the game when they realize it just bores them or gets to repeatitive. That is probally the reason that only a minority of gamers actually finish the games they are playing (CNN Article I found interesting)

Staying sub'ed in hope of them changing/making the game going in a direction they MIGHT like is a little out there in my book. If you like it now, keep sub'ing. If you dont, vote with your wallet and give them clear feedback as to why you stopped. Simple really.

I am personally having a good time and can live with the minor problems I have experienced.