The reason Sorcerers/Sages are OP in PvP

Another enthralling QQ thread. Awesome.

No nerf inc for sorcs. Get over it.

Exactly. Nothing is stopping anyone from rolling a sorc themselves if they want to enjoy the most power and utility any class has to offer in the game. If anyone really thinks sorc are so overpowered join their ranks and enjoy the class for yourselves.

cmon..

Imo sorcs aren't really OP but to say they take effort and skill to play well in pvp dps is just silly.


There is a reason they are so popular and it isn't because they take a ton of skill to play well..

They are by far the best class when stacked with itself.. 2-3 Sorcs playing together running channel spec atm is pretty fotm and more powerful than any other 2-3 classes stacked together i have seen.

But i am unsure if its the class itself or the fact every game has 5-6 of them in it with 2-3 of them premaded together cheesing up the match.

cmon..

Imo sorcs aren't really OP but to say they take effort and skill to play well in pvp dps is just silly.


There is a reason they are so popular and it isn't because they take a ton of skill to play well..

They are by far the best class when stacked with itself.. 2-3 Sorcs playing together running channel spec atm is pretty fotm and more powerful than any other 2-3 classes stacked together i have seen.

But i am unsure if its the class itself or the fact every game has 5-6 of them in it with 2-3 of them premaded together cheesing up the match.

I think you are missing some of what I posted. There toolkit is the way it is because when you actually play a DPS sorcerer you will realize that it feels like a utility spec and not a real damage dealer. Granted the Hybrid spec the OP talks about gives the player more utility then they probably intended any spec to have and that should be adjusted. But in no way do i think the class is OP even with that extra utility. There are seen as OP because they stack amazingly well with any class and its own, and people automatically associate representation with OP or something is amiss.

When you take that hybrid spec you are embracing the role as a utility class sacrificing damage, and of the 31 point builds does more raw damage then the utility build the OP is taking about, and the Deep Madness hybrid build is the best for Damage, but even then it isn't as good as most other classes can do for damage. Even that build is largely a utility spec. Do the specs put up impressive numbers when you look at the scoreboard? Of course, Sorcerers do great AoE especially the hybrid builds, they can pad the WZ damage meters like no other, but something everyone should of learned from WoW or any MMO is that those numbers mean ****. That damage is mostly sustain low damage and AoE. If we could look at damage that actually matters and kills people, you would see Sorcerers are quite low. Burst wins, not sustained and even the bust Sorcerer build have low burst compared to other classes.

Bioware should adjust things to ton down Hybrid builds, such as making it so Wrath doesn't work with Force Lightning but only applies to lightning Strike, but buffs the damage by 30-40% so that LS actaully hits for a decent amount instead of being a tickle to anyone in decent gear. Crushing darkness should be instant or have a shorter C/D when specced into the talent that increases its duration. It would also help if Creeping Terror was worth a damn. Just shuffling talents doesn't fix anything aside from breaking hybrid builds.



I think you missed my point by comparing those two. The point was to show how week a full 31 point build of a sorcerer is when compared to a spec of another class, that has a similar play style. It is there to show why so many spec hybrid, full 31 point spesc just fail for sorcerers. And you also forget that Commandos also have hammer shot, a spamable not ammo/heat shot. It doesn't do a whole lot of damage. So many people don't realize that the Sorc/Sage is the only class without a resource free spamable damage ability. These abilities don't do a crap ton of damage as they aren't meant to, however they are incredibly useful, and i have killed plenty of people who try to LoS chasing while spamming hammer shot, and they are also extremely useful when you need to run away from a melee. All i have my sorcerer is a dot that does crap damage and shock that is on a C/D and requires a proc to even do decent damage.

Like i said earlier we see the class as OP because they are everywhere, and they stack well, but that is because they are really a utility class in PvP, and the only one that. Maybe that design is overpowerd in a game like this, and they should look into adjusting that, so that when they are Damage specced they fill more of that damage role. If that is the case they need a rework and not a nerf. Of course a rework would be hard as long as they keep with the stupid shared tree concept, especially when one of ACs is melee and they other is ranged, it rarely ends up being good for both classes, and sometimes they flat out feel out of place.