The reason Sorcerers/Sages are OP in PvP

The TRUTH is that in geared level 50 PvP, sorcs aren't all that, and marauders are.

Stop being bad and read the first post. He lists a build and it does have all of that CC.

I think you are correct. It's not the raw numbers of the abilities that are OP, it's the utility and survival package is too good for the rest of the package. I don't support an across the board numbers nerf, I would rather see the talents shuffled around until they can't all be grabbed into the super spec that never goes more than 20ish points into any tree.

Assassins used to do that, there weren't even balance problems with that hybrid spec and they nerfed it saying it was unintended and while they were at it added a 100% force cost to changing stances.



This I will take exception to.

They are similar in terms of playstyle but the similarities end there.

The Merc abilities that can be used on the run are Heetseeker, which requires Tracer Missile debuffs to do damage and Railshot, which not only relies on a stacking buff to the next railshot to do damage but requires at least 1 TM debuff to even be used. That is at best a wash with the Sorc instant dots.

The Merc relies on RNG procs both in the form of TM crits to be able to maintain their rotation and to reset the cooldown on Unload.

If the Merc is allowed to sit and cast they can stack up a 10% damage reduction self buff that will last 10 seconds after the last TM is fired. That plus heavy armor is the sum total of their survivability and the heavy armor doesn't buy you nearly as much as you might expect. Shield alone would tip survivability to the Sorc and that's before getting into Force Speed, exploding bubbles, instant Whirlwind and all that package.

Something that I notice a lot of Sorcs seemingly missing is that both damage 31 point talents ignore armor. Does that mean they're worth giving up the crazy utilty of a hybrid spec? Probably not, but it's what Bioware expects a damage Sorc to do.

EDIT: Oh also I agree that one of the issues with the Sorc is how well they stack. Several Sorcs standing together are far far far more problematic than a lone Sorc. 4 Sorcs in a pile is a knockback and 5 second root on a 5 second cooldown.

You seem to be forgetting about Missile Blast (lol), Rapid Shots (which any Sorc would be jealous of on its own) which can also proc a DoT for you to Rail Shot off of, Explosive Dart, Rocket Punch.

See, the thing is, the Bounty Hunter base class receives more mobile damage moves before leaving Hutta than a hybrid-spec'd Sorc will ever have at 50.

A merc prefers to use its activation time moves like a sorcerer, but the simple fact is that when forced to flee, a merc still has these options to continue doing damage on the run (not to mention they have dots of their own that will be ticking for more damage than a sorc's).

A sorc does not have those options at all when forced to move. They have a weak dot and 1 instant attack on a cd, that does little damage. That's it. That's why they have more CC than you.

If you are having trouble with sorcs you should roll one, you will soon find out all you have is cc and escapes, and all of your damage is tied to the channeled lightning/pebble, which is interruptable and DING DING DING DISPELABLE off the target. yes you can stop their cast by dispelling their target. Play with a healer, stop q'ing up 4 man dps teams and ************ about a class you can easy counter with proper team composition. Stop kill chasing sorc runners you will not catch them. As a healer it is near pointless trying to heal a sroc, they drop in seconds to melee, it isnt even worth it. Melee crush them so fast with a healer backing them it isnt even funny. Try it! Go play 2v2 against some buddies as jug/healer mara/healer op/healer merc/healer powertech/healer vs a sorc/healer or hell a double sorc/sorc team, and you will ROLL THEM! I know this isnt an arena based game but all of these qqs are stemming from some noob losing a 1v1 against a class they kill chased for 5 mins around huttball and then got crushed when his help arrived. Get a healer, the only reason a sorc can top the numbers is because most people suck and healers never dispel.

Rateds are going to sort all of this out, i promise.

lowest health pools..
mercs run warzones

NO SORC will win a shoot off with a sniper or merc