The reason Sorcerers/Sages are OP in PvP

When people refer to "cooldowns" they mean the defensive cooldowns that are commonly found in MMOs with 1m+ cooldowns.

you are forgetting they also have a whirlwind, it's called concussion missile

let's look at all the tools a assassin has vs a sorcerer,

your own force speed, you move 15% faster, 6s cd on force slow which has a 12s duration, cloak, knockback, vanish, interrupt, low slash, starting the fight from stealth, stun, 90s trinket (which only merc and assassin's can get)...i wont even begin to add what other stuff you can do if you spec a certain way.

what do marauders have that is more advantageous than an assassin when fighting a sorcerer? i can only think of 1, if the fight is on the cat walk and assassins get knocked off...

apparently you haven't met a merc healer or a merc dps where they just pop their 25% dmg mitigation shield and tank you.

would you call force charge a cooldown?

i'm curious as to how long does an average fight between you and a sorcerer last? i'm pretty sure it's never longer than 20s in any warzones. 3 things usually happen, a) 1 of you will die, b)your teammate comes along and helps you, c) sorcerers teammate comes and helps them

All I see is read my bla Bla blaaaa , I got owned by a sorc, I'm bad so nerf them so a 2 year old can 3 shot em ops can.

Sorcs can not in any build have all you listed. I'm surprised you didt add that they can stealth like 1/2 the other QQers try and say.

They don't hit any place close to a ops , a marauder, a sniper, merc , a assassin, a power Tec, a jug . There is no other class that has a softer dps.

What sorcs can do is cc better then you, and have very good survival skills if played good.

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best warzone team: all sorcs/consulars

I have played a sorcerer(first class i played) an operative, sentinel, and a powertech. two are 50 and the rest in their 30's.

With that said if i were to call one of them OP it would be my Pyrotech Powertech. This class is simply amazing. Not only am i very dangerous in melee range but if you try to kite me, my key abilities all have 30yd range and i don't even need to be in melee range for them to be available. If you want to get in melee range on me i can kite you with a perma slow and my CC. Combine that with Heavy armor and decent survivability C/DS and it is a beast to deal.

My main problem with Sorcerers generally stem from the **** hole that is Huttball, and the fact that they are by far the single most useful AC in this game. It doesn't matter wether you are hybrid or not, the amount of useful utility this class has is amazing. If you were to create a rated 8 man team you would have at least 2-3 of them. And the utility is very notable in the crappy game called Huttball that we spend way to much time in. In the other WZ and even open world they are about average. However, they stack together well and have great utility, so they still end up being extremely useful. Stacking commands or Mercs beyond one heal and one damage doesn't bring a whole lot to the where, where as multiple Sorc/Sages are always good. This is largely due to the shield, and friendly pull and a perma slow if specced into the madness talent(which some sorc healers will grab).

As for the Hybrid spec, they have a ton of them all very useful with their own strengths and weaknesses. The one the OP is talking about is a spec that is extremely well rounded, however it lacks the damage of heavier madness Builds. The Heavy Madness builds sacrifice some of the utility in Lightning to deal more damage. The OP all though he doesn't give an example of this spec is probably actually the one he sees the most, and doesn't realize it. The hybrid is the Healer hybrid, which is Corruption/Madness, it grabs all the important heals and then goes after the madness and death field talents. there is also a 7/18/18 build, or small variance of it that falls in the middle between the 0/20/21 and the heavy Madness Hybrid. All are very good.

the reason Sorc/Sages go hybrid is because almost all of the late tier talent suck. Putting a 31 into any tree of a Sorcerer is terrible for PvP. So moving good talent deeper just makes early tier talent suck, and ignores the fact the the full 31 build hasn't, and the spec is still bad.

For instance a full lightning build is comparable to an Arsenal/Gunnery specced Merc/Commando. They two spec have very similar play styles, both are turret casters dependent on 1.5 sec activation time abilities. But the Merc is ten times better. Its mobile damage is superior with its hardest hitting abilities being instant, it relies less on RNG procs to do Burst, and the damage of its 1.5s ability is much higher. I may have a little more utility but i would say the Merc has better survivability. All in all a full lighning build flat out sucks

SO for damage (without Hybrid builds) the class would be stuck with Madness. This specc is alright but it is all sustained damage, it doesn't really kill anyone and relies on everyone else to kill. This spec has no burst, and burst is what wins in almost all MMO's. Part of the problem with this spec is that Creeping Terror is pretty bad, even though it increases my kiting power it doesn't make up for the burst damage that a Chain Lightning Madness build has.

When ever i play my Sorcerer as damage in PvP i feel like a support class, especially if i play full Madness. Even if a play hybrid i feel like i am primarily there for my utility. The Sorcerer isn't really the one killing you, it is the Tracer Merc, sniper, or Marauder, and sometimes other Sorcerers that are doing the damage. Sorc/Sages really just make it a pain in the *** for you to do anything to their ranged, and make it easier for their melee to stick on you.

I feel that most of the complaints about this class are to due the fact that we play Huttball too often and this spec has a ton of utility that stacks well with other classes along with its own. You see them so often, so often the 3/4 of a whole WZ is nothing but Sorc and Sages. It is damn annoying when you see this and you can't help but think they are OP when they so easily outnumber any other class in the game.

For instance a full lightning build is comparable to an Arsenal/Gunnery specced Merc/Commando. They two spec have very similar play styles, both are turret casters dependent on 1.5 sec activation time abilities. But the Merc is ten times better. Its mobile damage is superior with its hardest hitting abilities being instant, it relies less on RNG procs to do Burst, and the damage of its 1.5s ability is much higher. I may have a little more utility but i would say the Merc has better survivability. All in all a full lighning build flat out sucks

With that said if i were to call one of them OP it would be my Pyrotech Powertech. This class is simply amazing. Not only am i very dangerous in melee range but if you try to kite me, my key abilities all have 30yd range and i don't even need to be in melee range for them to be available. If you want to get in melee range on me i can kite you with a perma slow and my CC. Combine that with Heavy armor and decent survivability C/DS and it is a beast to deal.