Dungeon Finder Needed Badly

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Dungeon Finder Needed Badly

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harpuax

02.10.2012 , 05:59 PM \| #421
Quote: Originally Posted by Touchbass For you maybe. I was on a top tier raiding guild during TBC and pretty much 'ran things'. I have more fun and freedom playing the game now that I don't have a bustling friends list of people cause it suits me. I like logging on and not having all my friends whipsering "hey man tank this for me", some people like that, I use to like that but it's not for me anymore. My X-LFD experiences are great, sorry we all love the tool and you don't, you need to grow up cause it's ok to hate something that others like without putting it down. Actually I never said I was against a LFD. I just said there are better options, meaning that a better system can be devised that will help more people. I feel the the LFD que system is the quick easy fix, but not effective in the long term. I have not seen it cause growth in any other game, just plug the leak temporarily. So do I have the perfect solution? of course not. But I don't have the money and resources that Bioware does to solve the issue. They need to be innovative here and not just copy/paste a system from another game.

Rogish

02.10.2012 , 05:59 PM \| #422
Were one to do an honest eval of the pro/con debate on the X-LFD topic, you will find that the vast majority of those that are opponents of same, are also those that belong to large, strong guilds that don't need it. Why are thy opposed? Because the tool levels the playing field. It allows non-guilded/smaller guild people the same opportunity presently enjoyed by those aforementioned. It's a bit like public transit... if you don't want to use it, don't. But don't take away the opportunity from those that do. Selflessness. It's the right thing to do.

Arell

02.10.2012 , 06:07 PM \| #423
Here we go again..... I am one of those people who did not like the implementation of the cross-realm LFD tool. I see people bringing up supposed facts about why a LFD tool is a good thing, or people advocating that people like me have no valid arguments to opose the implementation of a LFD tool. Now, I don't completely opose a LFD tool. Clearly there are benefits to it, but if it's not done properly, it risks bringing so much negativity to the game aswell. My biggest reason to opose a LFD tool is one that's been mentioned a lot before by other people. It simply allows people to act like jerks and get away with it. Now, I don't have any fancy statistics, but I can say with a big certainty that the majority of LFD groups I have participated in caused a negative experience for me. Not so much due to wiping, but people being plain rude or jerks. Some of the things I encountered: - People blatantly ninja'ing stuff. - People blatantly leaving cause they didn't win a specific drop. - People needing on stuff to improve the chance their friend or guildie receives an item. - People leaving immediately after a particular boss, without notice or completion of the dungeon. - People kicking or trying to kick others cause they caused a wipe. - People kicking or trying to kick someone cause they hadn't been there before. - People kicking or trying to kick others cause they felt that particular member was under-performing. - People being rude because a particular member was inexperienced or under-performing according to their standards. - People kicking or trying to kick someone so they can bring in a friend or guildie instead (either for a boss, lootdrop or just cause they prefered to have their friend/guildie with them). - People leaving during combat or right before, purposely sabotaging the group. I'm pretty sure there are more things that I encountered but that I haven't mentioned here. This is just some stuff that I can think of at the moment. Now, I get that not everyone may experience things like these, or that some simply experience them less than myself. But there comes a time where you have to weigh to pros and cons against oneanother. Afterall, this is a game we play, and we play it to have fun. Or atleast, that's why you should be playing. And for me personally the above experiences definately added a lot of frustration and negative experiences to my gameplay. I'll even go as far as stating that I'd rather have to look for a group for an additional thirty minutes if it means I wouldn't have to go through the above things. But again, it doesn't mean that I completely opose a LFD tool. It just has to be implemented properly. A game is supposed to be fun experience. Enabling people or not holding people responsible for acting like total jerks "just cause they probably won't ever group with you again" is a bad thing, and it will certainly ruin more people's experience than improve it.

navarh

02.10.2012 , 06:13 PM \| #424
Quote: Originally Posted by Arell the majority of LFD groups I have participated in caused a negative experience for me. LFG is not for you, end of story all the stuff you call "negative" and "scary" i call laughable Quote: Originally Posted by Arell - People blatantly ninja'ing stuff. deal with it Quote: Originally Posted by Arell - People blatantly leaving cause they didn't win a specific drop. replaced in half of minute Quote: Originally Posted by Arell - People needing on stuff to improve the chance their friend or guildie receives an item. and what a problem here? he cleared dungeon just like you and deserve loot jsut like you Quote: Originally Posted by Arell - People leaving immediately after a particular boss, without notice or completion of the dungeon. crybabies & replaced in half of minute so again who care? Quote: Originally Posted by Arell - People kicking or trying to kick others cause they caused a wipe. valid i'm not you mother not you friend and i'm here not for carry you Quote: Originally Posted by Arell - People kicking or trying to kick someone cause they hadn't been there before. they ***** you recently was kicked from party of retards� what a big loss Quote: Originally Posted by Arell - People kicking or trying to kick others cause they felt that particular member was under-performing. valid becourse: i'm not you mother not you friend and i'm here not for carry you Quote: Originally Posted by Arell - People being rude because a particular member was inexperienced or under-performing according to their standards. valid you cause problems to people and want them to be happy? Quote: Originally Posted by Arell - People kicking or trying to kick someone so they can bring in a friend or guildie instead (either for a boss, lootdrop or just cause they prefered to have their friend/guildie with them). so without LFG you can't do this? Quote: Originally Posted by Arell** - People leaving during combat or right before, purposely sabotaging the group. sht happens newer heard of disconect? power outage? and why you don't tell us what happens with party now* when someone leaves during combat, tank or healer for example

Touchbass

02.10.2012 , 06:14 PM \| #425
Quote: Originally Posted by Arell;2735778 Some of the things I encountered: - People blatantly ninja'ing stuff. [COLOR="yellow" You cannot ninja in the current X-LFD format, ninja'ing is from the pre X-LFD era.[/COLOR] People blatantly leaving cause they didn't win a specific drop. How is this an issue? You'll replace them in a second. - People needing on stuff to improve the chance their friend or guildie receives an item. This is a very very very rare annoyance - People leaving immediately after a particular boss, without notice or completion of the dungeon. This is not the X-LFD's fault, people don't want to run dungeons over and over again - People kicking or trying to kick others cause they caused a wipe. You can't do this if you abuse it - People kicking or trying to kick someone cause they hadn't been there before. You can't do this if you abuse it - People kicking or trying to kick others cause they felt that particular member was under-performing. You can't do this if you abuse it - People being rude because a particular member was inexperienced or under-performing according to their standards. This happened a lot before X-LFD, in fact people use to mock them openly on the server - People kicking or trying to kick someone so they can bring in a friend or guildie instead (either for a boss, lootdrop or just cause they prefered to have their friend/guildie with them). This is a very very very rare occurance - People leaving during combat or right before, purposely sabotaging the group. This is a very very very rare occurance Life is about acceptable risk, those things you mentioned are more then fine if it means I can get a group in short amount of time. Dungeons aren't hard enough for me to sweat and I can usually carry a bad person or 2 depending on my role.
Our lack of a proper LFD tool will black out the sun! Then we shall cancel our subs in the shade!

lordhaizen

02.10.2012 , 06:15 PM \| #426
Just do it now
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Touchbass

02.10.2012 , 06:19 PM \| #427
Quote: Originally Posted by Arell Here we go again..... Now, I don't have anysnip statistics, Fixed that for you
Our lack of a proper LFD tool will black out the sun! Then we shall cancel our subs in the shade!

grueber

02.10.2012 , 06:24 PM \| #428
Quote: Originally Posted by Arell Here we go again..... Some of the things I encountered: - People blatantly ninja'ing stuff. - People blatantly leaving cause they didn't win a specific drop. - People needing on stuff to improve the chance their friend or guildie receives an item. - People leaving immediately after a particular boss, without notice or completion of the dungeon. - People kicking or trying to kick others cause they caused a wipe. - People kicking or trying to kick someone cause they hadn't been there before. - People kicking or trying to kick others cause they felt that particular member was under-performing. - People being rude because a particular member was inexperienced or under-performing according to their standards. - People kicking or trying to kick someone so they can bring in a friend or guildie instead (either for a boss, lootdrop or just cause they prefered to have their friend/guildie with them). - People leaving during combat or right before, purposely sabotaging the group. I'm pretty sure there are more things that I encountered but that I haven't mentioned here. This is just some stuff that I can think of at the moment. And how does any of the above not occur with a pug through Fleet? People already do alot of the above. Frankly if you show up to a group grossly undergeared or don't understand your role in a group then I'm not sure why the other three people are obligated to hold your hand through the flashpoint.

Nitewolfe

02.10.2012 , 06:28 PM \| #429
Quote: Originally Posted by Arell Here we go again..... I am one of those people who did not like the implementation of the cross-realm LFD tool. I see people bringing up supposed facts about why a LFD tool is a good thing, or people advocating that people like me have no valid arguments to opose the implementation of a LFD tool. Now, I don't completely opose a LFD tool. Clearly there are benefits to it, but if it's not done properly, it risks bringing so much negativity to the game aswell. My biggest reason to opose a LFD tool is one that's been mentioned a lot before by other people. It simply allows people to act like jerks and get away with it. Now, I don't have any fancy statistics, but I can say with a big certainty that the majority of LFD groups I have participated in caused a negative experience for me. Not so much due to wiping, but people being plain rude or jerks. Some of the things I encountered: - People blatantly ninja'ing stuff. - People blatantly leaving cause they didn't win a specific drop. - People needing on stuff to improve the chance their friend or guildie receives an item. - People leaving immediately after a particular boss, without notice or completion of the dungeon. - People kicking or trying to kick others cause they caused a wipe. - People kicking or trying to kick someone cause they hadn't been there before. - People kicking or trying to kick others cause they felt that particular member was under-performing. - People being rude because a particular member was inexperienced or under-performing according to their standards. - People kicking or trying to kick someone so they can bring in a friend or guildie instead (either for a boss, lootdrop or just cause they prefered to have their friend/guildie with them). - People leaving during combat or right before, purposely sabotaging the group. I'm pretty sure there are more things that I encountered but that I haven't mentioned here. This is just some stuff that I can think of at the moment. Now, I get that not everyone may experience things like these, or that some simply experience them less than myself. But there comes a time where you have to weigh to pros and cons against oneanother. Afterall, this is a game we play, and we play it to have fun. Or atleast, that's why you should be playing. And for me personally the above experiences definately added a lot of frustration and negative experiences to my gameplay. I'll even go as far as stating that I'd rather have to look for a group for an additional thirty minutes if it means I wouldn't have to go through the above things. But again, it doesn't mean that I completely oppose a LFD tool. It just has to be implemented properly. A game is supposed to be fun experience. Enabling people or not holding people responsible for acting like total jerks "just cause they probably won't ever group with you again" is a bad thing, and it will certainly ruin more people's experience than improve it. As i said before its a interesting that every anti lfd person seems to have the same complain of bad groups.. Maybe just maybe they need to look at themselves. Since it is clear they seem to be the common factor in the bad groups.

Arell

02.10.2012 , 06:35 PM \| #430
Quote: Originally Posted by Touchbass Life is about acceptable risk, those things you mentioned are more then fine if it means I can get a group in short amount of time. Dungeons aren't hard enough for me to sweat and I can usually carry a bad person or 2 depending on my role. I am well aware of that. But the problem I have with it is that it happens more often than appreciated. Like you, I am used to carrying pretty much most parties (dpswise atleast). I don't run them for gear as I raid anyhow. But it still disgusts me how rude people can behave just because there's no real penalty. And it isn't just me, plenty of times I hear people complain about it on ventrilo, when they are pugging something on alts and they experience things like that. Like I said, it happens quite often. Quote: Originally Posted by navarh LFG is not for you, end of story all the stuff you call "negative" and "scary" i call laughable I wouldn't really call it scary. ^^ However, I am someone who treats people like I want to be treated myself. So you won't see me doing stuff like that. I'm also well aware that no forces me to use the tool if it was there. Though I can also imagine or relate to other people having the same bad experiences. And if you would be in a position where you can for example only play 1-2 hours a day and for 2-3 consecutive evenings you'd run into stuff like this... Well, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be that appreciated. ^^

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