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The reason Sorcerers/Sages are OP in PvP

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The reason Sorcerers/Sages are OP in PvP

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infamousNate
02.10.2012 , 12:47 PM | #291
Quote: Originally Posted by EternalFinality View Post
So much bad info here. You have no idea what abilities Marauders have, do you?

Force Choke stuns for 3 seconds and is channeled.

"Force slow scream" - I think you're thinking of a Jugg ability.

The other force leap is a talent in the tree no one plays, has a 10m maximum range, and does not root or interrupt.

Sentinels/Marauders have exactly 2 CCs, and one is channeled.



Fun fact, Marauders have exactly one - Force Leap. It moves you directly next to the target.
oh only 1 10m+ you say?
http://www.torhead.com/ability/cRZ1G4W/force-scream

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Petrus
02.10.2012 , 12:55 PM | #292
Quote: Originally Posted by Caelrie View Post
What you did is like complaining that you won a duel but it was too hard so the other guy needs a nerf. Pathetic.
/agreed

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Turn-XGundam
02.10.2012 , 01:00 PM | #293
i don't play sorc/sage there fine except for that force speed that thing needs to be nerfed lol.
you destroy there face and they run away
i am gonna keep saying it again and again. most of the time sorc/sages are guarded and then there tank will taunt you. a sorc/sage will not go down when its guarded and you're being taunted.

hack you can guard a sniper/gunslinger and taunt there enemies. from the enemies point of view sniper/gunslinger will be invincible.

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Hamatula
02.10.2012 , 01:01 PM | #294
if a marauder isnt beating a Sorc the player is bad, just the way it is atm.

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Lavath
02.10.2012 , 01:03 PM | #295
Honestly, we all should just pvp without any gear on and with only our main weapon. I'm sure that would also be imbalanced though...

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mandrillagon
02.10.2012 , 01:03 PM | #296
Very well thought out and insightful post. The problem the community faces with getting sorc/sage class nerfed is the very fact that a large portion of the community is a sorc/sage or has a main as one.

Operatives were a minority class so pretty easy to lobby for that class to be brought into balance. Sorc/sages have the largest player population out there to troll threads with their theorycrafting, learn 2 plays, etc.


This is going to be a tough battle to bring balance to the most blatantly overpowered class in any MMORPG right now. Sorc/Sage are even worse than Bright Wizards were in Warhammer Online pre nerf.

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sithgrizley
02.10.2012 , 01:03 PM | #297
Quote: Originally Posted by infamousNate View Post
CCs? the bubble CC is 5-8m on break. if you cannot break in from range...then you need to learn to play. all classes have a 10m+ attack. not to mention only 3 classes are true
Ok, the sorc bubble has 3500 hp give or take a couple hundred. If any melee class tries to break that from safe distance they lose. Period.

So from what you're telling me you think it's intended that Sorcs just counter melee, and ranged, oh and tanks too. It's not their fault they're paper to your scissors.

Get real. Shield breaking at range is not practical for most classes.

Quote: Originally Posted by infamousNate View Post
melee... a hybrid specced sorc gets 5CCs:
Bubble - 50% resolve
KB+root +100% resolves (KB is 50%, but the root will add 50%)
Stun 99% resolves
Soft stun 100% resolves
Force slow (6 sec CD)
(anything else i missed?)

Ahhh, I knew some Sorc would try to claim balance through resolve. Even if it worked, which it doesn't. That just means you cycle your CC on multiple targets. That's far far too much CC/utility for any class.

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Kozzmozz
02.10.2012 , 01:08 PM | #298
I'm new to pvp warzones for a couple of days now.

The first thing i thought was : **** , f*ck sorc, they need to be nerfed, im sick of the CC'ing, slowing down, where i am not able to hit 70% of the time my enemy sorc due to CC. I got one skill : unleashed to unstun me, with a CD of 2 min. basically he can CC me most of the time.

Then i came to check on the forums and read this. Flame cause i'm new to it, but my first impression was : nerf sorc, and i'm sure im not the only one out there.

P.S The thought that I SOLELY thought of sorc and not any other class should be an indication me thinks.

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sithgrizley
02.10.2012 , 01:09 PM | #299
Quote: Originally Posted by Tsubodia View Post
It wouldn't bother me so much if he hadn't posted a hashed out hybrid spec. There are much stronger sorc hybrid specs than the one he has claimed is super awesome.
There are a number of hybrid specs, mostly because the lower down talents for Sorcs are far too good. I didn't look at his spec, but I think he hit the highlights of a lot of the abusive talents in his spec.

Bioware has gone hunting hybrid specs and classes that are slightly out of balance. Sorcs are both abusive while hybrid specs and out of balance. An intelligent Sorc would ask for reasonable rearangement of their talent trees that wouldn't affect a 31 point spec but will eliminate or tone down a hybrid spec. That's the best chance to avoid a numbers nerf that just turns the Sorc into a CC*****.

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TheRFC
02.10.2012 , 01:19 PM | #300
Quote: Originally Posted by Tumri View Post
Do you see ANY other class in any of the games doing as well as me? - In 1-2 of the games they do about 70% as much as me.

Skill plays a large part in PvP. The people I played against had an extreme skill disadvantage. The fact that I'm good doesn't change the fact that Sorcerer hybrid specs are far too powerful. The fact that I was able to do about 400k damage, get 9 medals, and take 0 deaths in a game should tell you how much of a skill gap there was.
Oh my ...

I'd agree that a hybrid DPS/Healer shouldn't be able to do 300+K damage and 300+K healing ...

But the ego? Eesh ...

I smash that score every match, friend.

It's my mad skillz, yeah?? No. I mash buttons. There is NO skill in this game. It's experience and to do consistently well - work-rate.

Thanks for dropping by.