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Gunslinger's in PvP you must be joking

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Gunslinger's in PvP you must be joking

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Smooth-Criminal
02.09.2012 , 09:24 PM | #31
Quote: Originally Posted by Syft View Post
Then why are they the least represented class in PVP???? In my exp the most amazing classes in pvp were never the least played ones.
The easy FOTM classes are the most played in PvP/E. Hard to master Classes are not played alot because people dont like hard.

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Arkhlin
02.09.2012 , 09:27 PM | #32
Quote: Originally Posted by Syft View Post
The arguement that a guy does well if you ignore or cant get to him is kind of a logic fail because I can do better with tracer missile spam and take more dmg and single heal for 5k crits with heavy armor.

If i ignore any class thats on me they will kill me so I fail to see how that makes them balanced. LMFAO I ignored this sorc on me and he killed me, anyone you ignore who's gunning for you will kill you. Only the gunslinger has no way to escape ANYTHING when your gunning for him.
Your right, that argument is fail. It's a good thing that neither of those 2 points were brought up in my post that you quoted.

Judging from the nature of your posts in this thread you're looking for a pity party. I'm not going to give you one, in the hands of a skilled, competent player Gunslingers/Snipers can 1v1 anyone. They have the highest burst in the game currently (only competition were Operatives/Scoundrels).

In case you were wondering, I've never ignored him. He has made a name for himself on my server, among us imperials anyway. So can bet your bottom dollar that he is marked as a priority target. If he's in the fight, he will get focused quicky, but not before he can put the hurt on anyone he wants (heavy armor classes included).

I will agree with your 1 valid point though, once pressured they have VERY limited defensive cooldowns. In my opinion, a fair trade off for their insane burst potential.

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XElementalX
02.09.2012 , 09:27 PM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by Keldaur View Post
Untrue, it's quite the opposite, they are very overpowered at low lvls, it's the class who get a lot of tools by lvl 18 and have a real burst and an insane execute.
"compared to other classes"? ...Nope.
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Syft
02.09.2012 , 09:34 PM | #34
Hey you all think their fine great I find that often bad players can't tell where the balance lies in PVP.

My Sent/Scoundrel blows any sniper/slinger apart in under 8 seconds and I've never seen one defeat me in 1v1 ever. But hey your happy hitting the respawn point anytime a descent player singles you out, relying on high perchs with no mobility or escapes to save you roll with it!

I'd rather play a class with the same dps and more survivability that doesnt require support or zero margin for error to end up in the top 2 dps slots with zero or 1 death.

But hey if your happy hitting that same dps with 10-12 deaths and requiring a smart group of players to do it, when i can do it with other classes even when were steamrolled in a losing BG more power to ya!

P.S. I don't even play a Slinger anymore I just know they don't stack up to most other classes I've pvp'd with at 50

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Skribbal
02.09.2012 , 09:40 PM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by Kane_Mkvenner View Post
I have no trouble at all in pvp and I'm a saboteur gunslinger. Defensive screen, dodge and scrambling field, drop incendiary grenande at my feet and chuck grenades like candy at a parade. People get to close? Aoe knockback. No grenades up? Speedshot then quickdraw. I love playing a gunslinger....who happens to use grenades more than guns...
Ditto. Tried sharpshooter through into the mid 40's and finally tested dirty fighting, then sabo. Funny thing is, I switched to get more mobility. Instead I find nothing more amusing than running into the middle of the action, hitting cover, hunker down, defensive screen, scrambling field, and burning everything around me.
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Syft
02.09.2012 , 09:43 PM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by Arkhlin View Post
Your right, that argument is fail. It's a good thing that neither of those 2 points were brought up in my post that you quoted.

Judging from the nature of your posts in this thread you're looking for a pity party. I'm not going to give you one, in the hands of a skilled, competent player Gunslingers/Snipers can 1v1 anyone. They have the highest burst in the game currently (only competition were Operatives/Scoundrels).

In case you were wondering, I've never ignored him. He has made a name for himself on my server, among us imperials anyway. So can bet your bottom dollar that he is marked as a priority target. If he's in the fight, he will get focused quicky, but not before he can put the hurt on anyone he wants (heavy armor classes included).

I will agree with your 1 valid point though, once pressured they have VERY limited defensive cooldowns. In my opinion, a fair trade off for their insane burst potential.
lol on paper they have the highest burst but if you count kinetic/weapon burst in pvp with NO ARMOR PENTRATION then you are wrong sir. You play a sorc and that's the only class you play hence why you think they have insane burst, but a slinger of any spec besides dirty fighter vs a heavy armor class is like throwing water pellets at dragonhide. And a slinger with dirty fighter does not have insane burst dmg they are mowers with steady dps.

And sadly I have yet to see a slinger/sniper come in top dps of any BG I run, WHY because you don't deal alot of dmg WHEN YOUR DEAD! Maybe this guy in this premade who ran next to healers did it this few times lol but pls show me where your saying Snipers/slingers #1 in DPS in tons of BG's and I'll show you a liar(and that icon you thought was a slinger was a scoundrel)

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Arkhlin
02.09.2012 , 09:52 PM | #37
Quote: Originally Posted by Syft View Post
lol on paper they have the highest burst but if you count kinetic/weapon burst in pvp with NO ARMOR PENTRATION then you are wrong sir. You play a sorc and that's the only class you play hence why you think they have insane burst, but a slinger of any spec besides dirty fighter vs a heavy armor class is like throwing water pellets at dragonhide.

And sadly I have yet to see a slinger/sniper come in top dps of any BG I run, WHY because you don't deal alot of dmg WHEN YOUR DEAD! Maybe this guy in this premade who ran next to healers did it this few times lol but pls show me where your saying Snipers/slingers #1 in DPS in tons of BG's and I'll show you a liar(and that icon you thought was a slinger was a scoundrel)
I'm a merc, in HEAVY ARMOR. Don't judge a poster by his avatar, otherwise, I'd assume you were a mindless vehicle. :P Second, I know what the difference is between a Gunslinger and a Scoundrel are. His COVER is a dead give away as to what class he plays. Being that I am a merc, I know exactly what kinetic/weapon damage is, and how it gets ***** by armor and mitigation. Rail shot, Unload, and Power Shot are all white damage abilities. I get it, you hate the class that you couldn't excel in and you're moving on. That's perfectly fine. Doesn't mean the class is seriously underpowered, at least not at the level you're claiming.

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goskins
02.09.2012 , 10:02 PM | #38
Gunslingers here saying gunslinger isnt underpowered are full of **** or barely pvp with their class, under valor 50, maybe even under lvl 50 or in extreme denial.

I'm valor 58+, 550+ exp, full champ on helm of gruash as a slinger.

My aimed shot (2.5 cast time) does equal dmg to a tracer missle with a 1 second higher cast time (and none of the perks, like armor shred) and a cooldown, and less dmg than a force lightning.

Hunkerdown is a terribly circumstantial move since u get LOSed all day on high-cast time "burst" moves.

Any mobility with sabo/DF hybrids take 50+ energy to get off a single combo.

Our "great" cc has some of the highest resolve gains in the game. Dirty Kick gives 80% resolve as well as flashbang.

There is absolutly no reason to play a GS over a sage, who can outdmg, out utility a slinger.

I can play my slinger well and am always carry my own on WZ, but if i were a sage with similar gear I would dominate not just carry my own.

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Syft
02.09.2012 , 10:05 PM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by goskins View Post
gunslingers here saying gunslinger isnt underpowered are full of **** or barely pvp with their class, under valor 50, maybe even under lvl 50 or in extreme denial.

I'm valor 58+, 550+ exp, full champ on helm of gruash as a slinger.

My aimed shot (2.5 cast time) does equal dmg to a tracer missle with a 1 second higher cast time (and none of the perks, like armor shred) and a cooldown, and less dmg than a force lightning.

Hunkerdown is a terribly circumstantial move since u get losed all day on high-cast time "burst" moves.

any mobility with sabo/df hybrids take 50+ energy to get off a single combo.

our "great" cc has some of the highest resolve gains in the game. Dirty kick gives 80% resolve as well as flashbang.

There is absolutly no reason to play a gs over a sage, who can outdmg, out utility a slinger.

I can play my slinger well and am always carry my own on wz, but if i were a sage with similar gear i would dominate not just carry my own.
yep this^

I never said you can't do WELL but gear vs gear a high skilled GS can only do as well as a crappy sage/BH/scoundrel of the same gear can do.

The skill margin for the class is just totally off kilter

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goskins
02.09.2012 , 10:07 PM | #40
Quote: Originally Posted by Syft View Post
cool, but my scoundrel still makes you vanish in under 8 seconds
cool story bro, tell it again. But read the post before u do