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"INC LEFT" That is not a good way to call INCs

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"INC LEFT" That is not a good way to call INCs

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Mayams
02.09.2012 , 08:09 PM | #411
We can assume that the direction we face at the beginning of the game is North, it's clearly not true North because well, virtual world, laws of magnetism, yadda yadda. Or we can assume that the direction we are facing at the beginning of the game is forward. East and West of "North", or left and right of "forward". I've never had a problem interpreting either term or using them interchangeably, in relation to the game I am playing they become synonymous and it has yet to fail me. If North is synonymous with forward then, by extension, this just becomes an argument of aesthetics.

Let's all get down the basic precepts of ff'ing the healers, gaurding cap points, and general team coordination and you guys can call incoming fahrvergnuggen or incoming hoisin sauce for all I care as long as i get the memo about our new terminology.

Assuming we are all using the same point of reference to orient ourselves I can easily interchange the terms on the fly, it's a non-issue for me. As I've said, we fail to agree by logical assumption on the point of orientation I think we have much bigger obstacles to victory before they say go. We have 8 greased up monkeys attempting to fornicate a football, symantics isn't going to rescue and organize this impending comedy of errors. We're looking at a dog excrement sandwich for dinner and getting in heated debate over what to call it. While in the mean time the bigger issue is, we're about to go hungry.

I don't mean this as an argument. I guess my point is, if we can all agree that left of start is West and right of start is East, there really isn't a discussion to be had. If you get players who can't draw this logical relation in WZ's then they're really just dead weight anyway aren't they? In place of pounding terminology into the heads of millions let's just all agree to the above relative terms and move on to the bigger obstacles to victory in the WZ's.

At least if any of you see me in any of your WZ's you can relax on the fact that whether you say left or West I will invariably head in the same direction. Even more importantly, if you call out the name of an opposition healer I will focus fire, CC, and do all i can to nullify them. Also I will not abandon a cap point to chase bait off into the sunset while their stealthed buddy caps behind me, whether the bait heads left, right, east, west or digs a tunnel at his feet and jumps down it ;P.
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FoxNemhauser
02.09.2012 , 08:23 PM | #412
I believe the confusion on the forum might be because republic people are talking with imperial people.

From the republic perspective:

you have the small indicator with the three turret icons that are initialially grey and can turn green (you have it) or red (enemy has it).

you can safely say that on the indicator panel - one is left, one is middle and the last one is right.

now, as a republic player - when you look through the window - you will see grass on your left and snow on your right

assuming that you would have all speeders, by taking the one that is to the left (while you are facing glass) will take you to the turret that is marked in the small indicator as "left turret".


if we assume that the top of the map is north (there is no compass, but common sense dictates that top is north as it usually is on normal maps) then left is west (which is good)



NOW, the problem starts for the imperials: on the small indicator you still have left, middle, right turret icons, but in order to reach the left icon - you need to go right after you take the speeder; at that moment - you are moving to the right side but you are actually going to the west turret (so, here right = west).




so, the republic people can say "left" without context, but imperials would need to say "right turret if you come from our spawn" or "left turret icon" if they were after west turret.

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LaManoNera
02.09.2012 , 08:26 PM | #413
Ya, stupid newbs! Don't even use the ingame voice cha-...oh, wait...
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Pandoration
02.09.2012 , 08:33 PM | #414
left obviously in relation to the map I would think. Unless you're in voidstar defending then it's the opposite.

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Hypernetic
02.09.2012 , 08:36 PM | #415
In one civil war a guy just said "1st" in chat followed by "1st 1st 1st 1st" and then we lost a point.

Apparently he meant the first point we capped? Or something? I don't know... nobody knew what he was talking about.

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Ferrydust
02.09.2012 , 08:45 PM | #416
Quote: Originally Posted by Mayams View Post
We can assume that the direction we face at the beginning of the game is North,
Civil War has Empire Facing South. So left is East and Right is West.

WE WANT A COMPASS ON OUR MINI MAP would be accurate. I asked several times in beta but I suppose they have more pressing issues.

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keebitual
02.09.2012 , 09:22 PM | #417
I'm a professional Forester. I navigate IRL daily. I know N/S/E/W instinctively wherever I am day or night. What flummoxes me is... Sadly my Monitor faces east and sometimes south. If my monitor faced North it would be easy.

I guess what Im saying My awareness of the actual direction I'm facing IRL, clashes with the direction I may be facing in game. That simple extra calculation screws me up... so I often say Inc Left, Inc Right. kind of pathetic ehh?

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Shmn
02.09.2012 , 09:23 PM | #418
This thread is hilarious.

Dear Cartographers Against Fictional Mislabeling, you are right. But it's irrelevant, because at the end of the day if your communication is not effective -- that is, reaching its intended targets, its function is undermined. And when your goal is to receive reinforcements in a timely fashion (or at all), you communicate in a way that is most likely to achieve that outcome. And that's left/right, no matter how dirty or uncomfortable that makes you feel.

You may be willfully obtuse and pretend like left/right could mean anything but the reality is that of spawn is implicit and the labels are widely adopted and used. Would west/east be a better system if understood by everyone? Of course. But at the same time it isn't, because people suck at directions for whatever reason -- for one, many non-native speakers have a hard time remembering which word corresponds to which direction.

So you should ask yourself: do you want your team to have better chances of winning or do you simply want to dwell in bitter superiority and expect the unlikely. Stop setting yourself up for disappointment. Realize that the pragmatic road is wisest: to rely on ignorance very rarely lets down. If the internet has not taught you this already, you have not been paying attention.

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Mayams
02.09.2012 , 09:33 PM | #419
Quote: Originally Posted by Ferrydust View Post
Civil War has Empire Facing South. So left is East and Right is West.

WE WANT A COMPASS ON OUR MINI MAP would be accurate. I asked several times in beta but I suppose they have more pressing issues.
Thank you,

The next time i am communicating directions in relation to tactics with the opposing force i will keep that in mind.

Screw it! From now on you get Starboard and Portside out of me and I will drive my campaign for these terms home until everyone has beat there forehead to a bloody pulp...

... bashing it on the BULKHEADS!!!!!

Now FALL IN LINE MAGGOTS!!!
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MidichIorian
02.09.2012 , 09:37 PM | #420
Where do we stand on North and South?