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Dungeon Finder Needed Badly


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xioix
02.09.2012 , 06:20 PM | #351
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Andge
02.09.2012 , 06:24 PM | #352
I hated Dungeon Finder in WoW. That fact that it was so easy finding a group made people so uncommited; people just left at the most random times during an instance, and often a group would have consisted of 10 people before the end.

So initially, I was against the idea of a dungeon finder in SWToR. But after having spent so many frustrating hours during this week trying to find a group with no luck, and have simply skipped a number of FPs, I agree; SWToR needs a cross server dungeon finder.

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Vlacke
02.09.2012 , 06:40 PM | #353
Quote: Originally Posted by Daelenn View Post
That's an entirely different issue. Personally, I think Bioware made the same mistake as Trion did and opened way too many extra servers at launch while also keeping the server caps way lower than needed.
Agreed.

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Ethern
02.09.2012 , 06:49 PM | #354
Quote: Originally Posted by Daelenn View Post
That's an entirely different issue. Personally, I think Bioware made the same mistake as Trion did and opened way too many extra servers at launch while also keeping the server caps way lower than needed.

When they did the stress tests in November, I remember seeing over 350 people on Coruscant and the server was perfectly stable with only 3 Coruscant instances. When the game went live, I think Tython on my server had like 120 people with 4 instances open. Basically, they chose to be extremely, overly cautious in the guise of having a smooth launch and I think they shot themselves in the foot over it.
Perhaps. But still, even with free transfers, there will be population imbalances. A cross server LFD will still be needed, for odd hours, people who have weird schedules, etc.
There are many profiles, which alone justify the more flexibility possible. There again, a same server LFD is too limited.

Quote: Originally Posted by Moricthian View Post
People who think a LFG tool "destroys the community" are delusional. We have a PvP que that doesn't destroy the community. Expanding it to include flashpoints won't destroy the community.

Seriously people, stop making claims that are clearly invalidated by the features already in the game.

If you want community, learn to talk to people. If a LFG system prevents you from making friends, that's your own fault.
That's what I have been saying all along.
+1. We should copy and paste this.

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Daelenn
02.09.2012 , 07:09 PM | #355
Quote: Originally Posted by Ethern View Post
Perhaps. But still, even with free transfers, there will be population imbalances. A cross server LFD will still be needed, for odd hours, people who have weird schedules, etc.
There are many profiles, which alone justify the more flexibility possible. There again, a same server LFD is too limited.

That's what I have been saying all along.
+1. We should copy and paste this.
You do realize the PvP queue system is same-server?

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Ethern
02.09.2012 , 07:12 PM | #356
Quote: Originally Posted by Daelenn View Post
You do realize the PvP queue system is same-server?
Brackets, and boosting system. Not comparable.

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Nempo
02.09.2012 , 07:16 PM | #357
Quote: Originally Posted by Obi-Wun View Post
What this game really needs at this point...is a Dungeon Finder. It was a huge success in other MMO's, no reason for it not to be in this game.

Pros:

1. Can continue questing while waiting for group to form.
2. Prevents trolls from sitting there ruining General Chat while they are bored trying to fill a group.
3. Proves that BioWare can do something like this. Buys street creds.

Cons:

1. Some people think it ruins the community...but I think they are wrong. They obviously have not sat for an hour trying to fill a Flashpoint group.
2. People who think like that are probably in a huge guild and have no trouble filling groups. We're usually filling 2-3 of 4 and just need that last role.
Your cons are non-issue. If you are always looking for that last role (most likely a tank or healer) then roll that class yourself!
The problem is not large guilds or the like...it is almost always people are rolling as DPS then wondering why they aren't finding groups. A smaller group size means you need MORE tanks/healers than ever before.

DPS are dime a dozen, play a role that has responsibilities and you'll never hurt for finding a group. As a tank I can simply say I am bored in general chat and have 6 group invite offers thrown my way within the first minute or two. This is assuming my guild doesn't need me.

DF creates a crappy community. If you are sitting for an hour then you need to be more sociable...you know actually talk to strangers and make friends?
"I am not driven by hatred. I am not driven by fear.
I am not driven by desire, duty, or any rationale. I can no longer feel any of these.
All that remains is Retribution; Cold and hard and final..."

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MalignX
02.09.2012 , 07:38 PM | #358
Bleh.

1)To the "Kills Community", YOUR community is what you make it, and your definition of community does not apply to the rest of us. You want to go through the trouble of collecting friends with whom to run content. Keep doing it. The rest of us will use a RDF, thank you.

2)To the "It's for Lazy Self Centered Kids", really? And you coming here to tell us we're lazy, should learn how to play, and you have zero problem finding groups so why shouldn't we? My answer to that would just get this post flagged, so suffice it to say, these are your opinions, and they're lousy uninformed opinions at that. In my opinion.

3)To the "They better not put on in! Or I am quitting!". Guess what? They are putting one in, so go ahead and quit and let the rest of us get back to discussing the features we'd like to see implemented.

4)To the "NO to X-Server!" see 1.

5) If you had such a bad experience in WoW's RDF, then have you ever considered that YOU were the common factor there? The rest of us who had great times with the RDF are some how less "right" and should just shaddup? Meh. Go play Star Wars Legos or something.

6) Guilds should be absolutely, positively, 100% OPTIONAL. You wanna socialize and have a uber cool reputation on your server, do it with your Guild. Stop trying to dictate to the rest of us what options we can or cannot have, ESPECIALLY when it's already been announced that it's coming. That's just impotent raging. If a RDF effects your current game play so much, then there's something else wrong, not the MECHANIC that is OPTIONAL.

We are getting a RDF/LFG/LFFP/Whatever. Come to terms with that, get all your nerdrage out, then come back here and discuss with us what you'd like to see in the tool when it comes out.
Just because I do not care, does not mean I do not understand.

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Touchbass
02.09.2012 , 07:51 PM | #359
Quote: Originally Posted by Nempo View Post
DF creates a crappy community. If you are sitting for an hour then you need to be more sociable...you know actually talk to strangers and make friends?
Touchbass: How can I make friends if I can't get into a group to make them?
Nempo: Learn to be more social
Touchbass: How do I be more social if the game prevents me from being social? That's a catch 22
Nempo: Well .. ummm... /logout and trolls LFD forums

What will happen:

Nempo: Now that those losers are using the X-LFD who wants to group with me?
Fleet: *Crickets*
Touchbass: Guess you didn't have any friends to begin with, maybe you should actually talk to strangers and make friends?
Our lack of a proper LFD tool will black out the sun!
Then we shall cancel our subs in the shade!

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xMasterful
02.09.2012 , 08:01 PM | #360
In my experience with WoW I never had an issue grouping with people from other servers. Luckily the majority of the time I was grouped with people from my server, but occasionally there were times when I would get grouped with people of a specific server consistently.
Overall, I think that a cross-server Flashpoint Finder wouldn't be a bad thing because there is usually more than one person from each server in a group.