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"INC LEFT" That is not a good way to call INCs

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"INC LEFT" That is not a good way to call INCs

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CrunchyGremlin
02.09.2012 , 06:38 PM | #401
Quote: Originally Posted by Dolitoe View Post
I don't know what simpler means in that context. They both require just as much effort to type and read.

As you said you agree, so I don't understand what is the negative to using directions that are not open to interpretation.
No i said she was right. she was talking about the bomb text saying west or east. It's true it says that.

but left is easier to understand when calling incoming.

I know that i went left or right out of spawn without having to think about it.

However as someone else previously posted... so what.
say east or left i should know what you mean either way.
Left and right just need no further reference as everything is implied leaving spawn.

easier for PUGs.
I am going to try it but id wager less people will know what east west means compared to left right.

If you want a reeducation campaign then do it. nobody is stopping you.
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Dolitoe
02.09.2012 , 06:40 PM | #402
Quote: Originally Posted by CrunchyGremlin View Post
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If you want a reeducation campaign then do it. nobody is stopping you.
That's what the thread is about. So...k.

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CrunchyGremlin
02.09.2012 , 06:43 PM | #403
Quote: Originally Posted by Dolitoe View Post
That's what the thread is about. So...k.
Negative the thread is a QQ.

Go do it if you want to.
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Dolitoe
02.09.2012 , 06:43 PM | #404
Quote: Originally Posted by CrunchyGremlin View Post
Negative the thread is a QQ.

Go do it if you want to.
Agree to disagree. Have the last word.

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CrunchyGremlin
02.09.2012 , 06:47 PM | #405
Quote: Originally Posted by Dolitoe View Post
Agree to disagree. By all means, have the last word.


I await the change in WZ instructions!
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Mayams
02.09.2012 , 06:48 PM | #406
... wow.

If the people calling out incoming aren't sharp enough to make those calls presuming a fixed oreientaion point by which to relate those directions. That is to say; if they expect the entire allied force to somehow devine what left is relative to the direction they are at that time facing, you can go ahead and comfortably assume you have much bigger problems with that player's ability to help you to victory.

First of all, I would have to wonder how a player who calls incoming relative to their current facing (and feels correct in doing so) even managed to install this game or hell, maintain reliable income to finance their playing of it.

I've just always taken for granted (and the great majority of replies here seem to back me up on it) that whether one says right or east we all knew what direction was being referred to because we all just implied a universal point of orientation. I never even realized this presented a problem to anyone. The greater problems I've seen are those along the lines of some genius trying to whittle down a tank while a healer spams heals on them through convulsions of laughter, all while my team is circling the drain because of well... That! Issues like ignoring the healers, or chasing some red name tag half way across the map while his buddy skips up and caps the point.

If your faction seems to be failing because they lack the basic understanding of an orientation point? You may want to change servers or at least collect those around at least the I.Q of Beavis and Butthead into a guild and run premades. Sounds a guild of at least literate players would be god's among men in that environment .
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ErnieVega
02.09.2012 , 06:51 PM | #407
Quote: Originally Posted by Xenon-se View Post
lol at 37 pages



Left = Help defend the EDGE base if you currently defend center and it also mean use the LEFT speeder when you spawn.

Right = Help defend the EDGE base if you currently defend center and it also mean use the RIGHT speeder when you spawn.

How can this be a hard concept to gasp?



If someone use West he obviously mean the west side of the map.
If someone use Right he obviously mean use the right speeder when you spawn.




recap time.

1)
There is no "left" or "right" when you use a map to navigate. When refering to a map you use west, north, south, east etc. It is perfectly viable to navigate using a map by turning it "up-side-down" so if you are facing south while reading the map.

2)
If you face north you will have west on your left hand side and east on your right hand side.
If you face east you will have north to your left hand side and south on your right hand side.
If you face south you will have east on your left hand side and west on your right hand side.

3)
If your team control the center node and one edge node and you are currently on the center node when someone say "inc 4 left, need help" - you don't even need to know if it is the east or the west base. It is the OTHER base you are not guarding. If you are alive and guarding a point all you need to read is that the other base is in trouble for you to break combat and go there to help. You don't even need directions.

4)
If you just spawned you need to know if you should take the RIGHT speeder, the CENTER speeder or the LEFT speeder.

5)
When you spawn ande someone say "go east base" you will first have to check the map to figure out if the left speeder or the right speeder will take you to the east base. Most people will just be confused and take the center speeder. Others will take the Right speeder when someone say East base.... EVEN if your ship is located north on the map (and thus you should take the left speeder to reach the east base).




Left = Help defend the EDGE base if you currently defend center and it also mean use the LEFT speeder when you spawn.

Right = Help defend the EDGE base if you currently defend center and it also mean use the RIGHT speeder when you spawn.
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Niconogood
02.09.2012 , 07:06 PM | #408
Quote: Originally Posted by Sandzibar View Post
directions in relation to your alignment after you respawn isnt that confusing.. and its probably faster than have people look at the map and work out where east and west are.
I agree with that. As respawn is usually were reinforcements are coming from the simplest way is just to point direction from spawn. left or right.
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Aroidan
02.09.2012 , 07:11 PM | #409
Quote: Originally Posted by Mayams View Post
... wow.

If the people calling out incoming aren't sharp enough to make those calls presuming a fixed oreientaion point by which to relate those directions. That is to say; if they expect the entire allied force to somehow devine what left is relative to the direction they are at that time facing, you can go ahead and comfortably assume you have much bigger problems with that player's ability to help you to victory.

First of all, I would have to wonder how a player who calls incoming relative to their current facing (and feels correct in doing so) even managed to install this game or hell, maintain reliable income to finance their playing of it.

I've just always taken for granted (and the great majority of replies here seem to back me up on it) that whether one says right or east we all knew what direction was being referred to because we all just implied a universal point of orientation. I never even realized this presented a problem to anyone. The greater problems I've seen are those along the lines of some genius trying to whittle down a tank while a healer spams heals on them through convulsions of laughter, all while my team is circling the drain because of well... That! Issues like ignoring the healers, or chasing some red name tag half way across the map while his buddy skips up and caps the point.

If your faction seems to be failing because they lack the basic understanding of an orientation point? You may want to change servers or at least collect those around at least the I.Q of Beavis and Butthead into a guild and run premades. Sounds a guild of at least literate players would be god's among men in that environment .

The problem, from my point of view is that there are a few out there who use left as a synonym for west and right for east. That is the biggest problem out there. All directions rely on first establishing a common orientation. East and West are using the map to determine this orientation (Most people will assume that top is north when no compass is defined) Left and Right are using whatever the common player orientation is. For a WZ this would be starting from spawn. Use whatever method of orientation you choose but do not use Left and Right for map orientation EVER!!!

Also someone metioned that most people understand move up, which is a term that uses the players relative position. In most scenarios this is true because it happens with a zerg and a group of players are heading in the same direction thus up is commonly understood as forward in whatever direction we were heading last and fall back is go back the direction we came from.

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Caeliux
02.09.2012 , 07:12 PM | #410
Quote: Originally Posted by VoidSpectre View Post
C'mon people. Left and right are subjective. Sometimes people mean left out of the rez point and sometimes they mean left on the map.


How about we grow up and use cardinal directions like intelligent adults. Use "INC WEST" so we don't have to decipher your subjective meaning
I like "INC TO MY SPOT EVERYONE HURRY".

Seen that today, I lol'ed in real life.
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