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"INC LEFT" That is not a good way to call INCs

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"INC LEFT" That is not a good way to call INCs

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Dolitoe
02.09.2012 , 02:35 PM | #281
Quote: Originally Posted by Somalin View Post
I'm not good at moving and typing at the same time.
Ah. Fair enough.

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Callo
02.09.2012 , 02:37 PM | #282
Quote: Originally Posted by Bovinity View Post
Problem is, there's just as many posts saying that it's always based off where you spawn, and if you say a direction based on your map, that's silly.

And that's the issue the OP is talking about. Unless I know you and know what your view on it is, I don't know if you're basing your directions on where you're facing when you spawn or basing it by the map. Aside from being psychic, I have no way of knowing.

Me, I always use east/west. Always defined independently of orientation or position. 100% easy-peasy.
That is actually what he just said. Based on where you spawn is based on the map... He meant saying left based on the direction you were facing at the time and not based off of one universal left. IE you are facing the spawn at mid and see Left under attack. You call it out as Right instead of Left because you are facing the spawn and you are dumb and everyone goes to Right instead of Left. Basically, Left is always left of the spawn and Right is always right of the spawn. So if you are facing the spawn Left never changes position even though it is not on YOUR left. Likewise if you were in mid and facing Right and someone calls out Left you wouldn't call them an idiot for trying to defend the Sith spawn area. Like I mentioned before, I use Left/Right because I err on the side of caution that others in my WZ are dumb and need things dumbed down in case they aren't wearing their helmets.
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Serjao
02.09.2012 , 02:37 PM | #283
Quote: Originally Posted by Grubfist View Post
There's left/right of the spawn facing and there's left/right on the map. They're not always the same.
I keep telling my friends that.
When calling for help at turrets, that's what a firend of mine does: calls "inc side" or "inc mid". I know... what about if you got both sides and not the mid? In short terms: then you got screwed!

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pherball
02.09.2012 , 02:38 PM | #284
Quote: Originally Posted by CKNairb View Post
...For void star its best for east west, as map doesnt rotate.
I actually had someone tell me they had their map set to rotate, so they wouldn't use West / East.
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DrBananaHammock
02.09.2012 , 02:40 PM | #285
Just give me the x/y axis of the map and i'll firgure it out myself

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CKNairb
02.09.2012 , 02:40 PM | #286
Quote: Originally Posted by Shumney View Post
Thats exactly my point, this whole thread proves how people suck at objective labeling. When they call for Omaha, you look at the map, you know where Omaha is, and you execute. Land nav is not even the issue here, its understanding what the objective is, which comes way before land nav.
Hate to tell you this but military orients map based on Cardinal directions. And bases its strata on them, not left right. Why because battlefields are not fixed. Enemy may try to rout, which would rotate the field 45 or even 90. Incomming troops are no longer comming in from the left as planned or unplanned, they are now comming in behind you?

Left and right are subjective, N,S,E,W are not
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Shumney
02.09.2012 , 02:49 PM | #287
Quote: Originally Posted by CKNairb View Post
Hate to tell you this but military orients map based on Cardinal directions. And bases its strata on them, not left right. Why because battlefields are not fixed. Enemy may try to rout, which would rotate the field 45 or even 90. Incomming troops are no longer comming in from the left as planned or unplanned, they are now comming in behind you?

Left and right are subjective, N,S,E,W are not
I know what you're saying, but the point is the OBJECTIVE is still the same thing. I'm not talking about the planning, I'm now into the movement phase, I'm saying if I call out building C, its on the individual to figure out how to get their from there current location. Be it east, west, north, etc.

The problem in these WZs are people are lost as to what the hell west is and what east is, but the objective everyone refers to as "LEFT" has not moves. Like I said, call it whatever you want, OBJ Big Dick, I'm getting at if you cant figure out what people refer to the objectives in this game, the fault is on you. I'm 99% sure people can agree on what an objective is usually referred to in a game they play.

Its easy to start the game and in /ops state "LEFT=west, RIGHT=east, got it" and again, the labels are meaningless, they could be gold/black.

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SuperomegaOP
02.09.2012 , 02:50 PM | #288
you should be always be referencing the map at the top right in void star/civil war...

rotating minimap shouldnt be an excuse...

map>spawn






or.... bioware can just label the doors west/east, left/right and people would no longer get confused

look at wow... YES i said it... deal with it... in battlegrounds a node/door either had a specific name and/or color so that communication was always spot on and you'd almost never get misguided

and even for colorblind people, objectives usually had a specific name and/or other specific uniqueness along with color so you could tell the difference..



TL;DR: Use mini-map or top right WZ map for reference when giving or receiving INComings in a certain direction

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Shumney
02.09.2012 , 02:55 PM | #289
Quote: Originally Posted by SuperomegaOP View Post
you should be always be referencing the map at the top right in void star/civil war...

rotating minimap shouldnt be an excuse...

map>spawn






or.... bioware can just label the doors west/east, left/right and people would no longer get confused

look at wow... YES i said it... deal with it... in battlegrounds at node/door either had a specific name and/or color so that communication was always spot on and you'd almost ever get misguided

and even for colorblind people, objectives usually had a specific name and/or other specific uniqueness along with color so you could tell the difference..



TL;DR: Use mini-map or top right WZ map for reference when giving or receiving INComings in a certain direction
This is exactly what Ive been saying, if you know what the objective is labeled as, and you see it called out, there is ZERO room for confusion. Map orientation is only part of the issue, its people not comprehending what objective is that's being called out, its a break down in both the person calling out, and the person reacting. But if I say 'red door', there's not (or shouldn't be) any question as to what 'red door' is.

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Spartanik
02.09.2012 , 02:57 PM | #290
Quote: Originally Posted by VoidSpectre View Post
C'mon people. Left and right are subjective. Sometimes people mean left out of the rez point and sometimes they mean left on the map.


How about we grow up and use cardinal directions like intelligent adults. Use "INC WEST" so we don't have to decipher your subjective meaning
It is not subjective if you open map and see wich turrets are yours and what needs to be defended. Just saying.
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