Damage Meter, how to get if you want?

There was a time that I cared about hardcore raiding, still never used damage meters and our guild was generally in the top 5 on the server as well. When Cata come out, the raiding got tedious and all I really wanted to do was play the game.

You can progress on Hard modes without damage meters, and if you are really hardcore that's how you should play, no addons at all. Yes, EQ raids were harder than WoW raids for the following reasons:

1) getting 75 people gathered together to do the raid
2) getting to the boss before other guilds on the server got there and took it down
3) setting up tank rotation and healing rotation (without using any healing addons) and keeping the timing down, hoping you don't fizzle a cast (like you can't do now) and if it fizzled, you scrambled to keep the tank up
4) the sheer amount of time, 4-5 hours just to get to the boss, take 20 minutes to kill the boss and get 4-5 pieces of loot.

So yes, I would say that EQ raids were harder when I played them.

There was a time that I cared about hardcore raiding, still never used damage meters and our guild was generally in the top 5 on the server as well. When Cata come out, the raiding got tedious and all I really wanted to do was play the game.

You can progress on Hard modes without damage meters, and if you are really hardcore that's how you should play, no addons at all, and yes, EQ raids were harder than WoW raids for the following reasons:

1) getting 75 people gathered together to do the raid
2) getting to the boss before other guilds on the server got there and took it down
3) setting up tank rotation and healing rotation (without using any healing addons) and keeping the timing down, hoping you don't fizzle a cast (like you can't do now) and if it fizzled, you scrambled to keep the tank up
4) the sheer amount of time, 4-5 hours just to get to the boss, take 20 minutes to kill the boss and get 4-5 pieces of loot.

So yes, I would say that EQ raids were harder when I played them.

I'd have to wager that half of the reason that EQ was so brutally hard was for the lack of information known. The other half was probably because there was little to no testing done on bosses, lots of bugs, and intentional blocks put it. I love EQ just as much as the next guy, but it is a completely different game from what MMO's are now a days.

WoW's LFR system with the update made raiding even easier than before.

1) getting 75 people gathered together to do the raid

2) getting to the boss before other guilds on the server got there and took it down

3) setting up tank rotation and healing rotation (without using any healing addons) and keeping the timing down, hoping you don't fizzle a cast (like you can't do now) and if it fizzled, you scrambled to keep the tank up

4) the sheer amount of time, 4-5 hours just to get to the boss, take 20 minutes to kill the boss and get 4-5 pieces of loot.

So yes, I would say that EQ raids were harder when I played them.

Yet they were taken down without mobs being dumbed down. I don't want to bash the raiding scene of today's MMOs. That is not my point. Just want to prove that high end content doesn't need 3rd party apps to be defeated. It was done before and can be done again.

But I do agree with you one thing, the raiding scene today is nothing of what it was before. Players demand "foodfast" style raid content, and honestly I am not knocking it. Because the burnout effect of raiding super hard core in EQ1 was amazing high and extremely stressful. Recruiters worked overtime to fill in the gaps. It is not easy to keep a raid attendance of 7-10 hours a day almost 6 days a week. And I could never do that again.

Also, I played and raiding with DPS Meters (3rd party Apps) and I used it and actually loved it because I am super competitive and want to be the best (top of the parse). However, that doesn't make a great all around player. Just makes you a good dpser. Want to be a great player, and not just some dime-a-dozen top dper. Then learn everything about your class and be better then other people of that class. Then work your way to being the best player in your guild.

Yet they were taken down without mobs being dumbed down. I don't want to bash the raiding scene of today's MMOs. That is not my point. Just want to prove that high end content doesn't need 3rd party apps to be defeated. It was done before and can be done again.

But I do agree with you one thing, the raiding scene today is nothing of what it was before. Players demand "foodfast" style raid content, and honestly I am not knocking it. Because the burnout effect of raiding super hard core in EQ1 was amazing high and extremely stressful. Recruiters worked overtime to fill in the gaps. It is not easy to keep a raid attendance of 7-10 hours a day almost 6 days a week. And I could never do that again.

Also, I played and raiding with DPS Meters (3rd party Apps) and I used it and actually loved it because I am super competitive and want to be the best (top of the parse). However, that doesn't make a great all around player. Just makes you a good dpser. Want to be a great player, and not just some dime-a-dozen top dper. Then learn everything about your class and be better then other people of that class. Then work your way to being the best player in your guild.

I'm asking because I don't know where I can get this addon to the game.
I'd like to know how much dps I do, so I can improve my gameplay, especially at the endgame.
While I ask this, there would also be nice with some kind of threat meter, if that exists.

This thread is not about damage meters beeing bad or good, useful or if they will destroy the game.

I just simply want someone friendly to point me in the right direction.

I could take a PM if you don't want to give the others the information..

Thank you.

(edit: Now I understand that there are no addons yet, but that we probably will get them later on when the combat log system is avaliable. From there, bioware will most likely add this feature themselves.)