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Damage Meter, how to get if you want?

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Damage Meter, how to get if you want?

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Ronks
12.15.2011 , 06:50 AM | #441
Quote: Originally Posted by stineo View Post
You said it best, content had to be dumbed down in WoW for people to finish it. Do I even need to go on?

WoW was just the answer to alot of disgruntled EQ1 players that could never compete in the high end scene. It was an exclusive club, not everyone handle the pressure and stress well. It was work, trust me you need to devote alot of time, pain and sweat. When you had to deal with 72 raid force and if one mistake happened then 3-4 hours of work goes down in the tubes. And then had to restart the progress a day later or a week later with lock out timers.

It was the most fun getting world/server firsts that took months to do. But the achievement alone was the best feeling I ever had in any game. Because no one else could do it.

Also don't get me wrong, I am not bashing the game WoW per say. It's only the WoW players who think that its raiding scene is hard core so they need crutches to help them be the best. The irony in that is what is so funny and frustrating. In order to be the best you need help with 3rd party apps? Does that make any sense what-so-ever?
I'd have to wager that half of the reason that EQ was so brutally hard was for the lack of information known. The other half was probably because there was little to no testing done on bosses, lots of bugs, and intentional blocks put it. I love EQ just as much as the next guy, but it is a completely different game from what MMO's are now a days.

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stineo
12.15.2011 , 06:50 AM | #442
Quote: Originally Posted by Skeelol View Post
I wonder if you actually believe EQ was hard compared to WoW top-raids or you're just trolling.
Oh I truly believe it. WoW is the dumbed down version of EQ1. If you want to take it as a troll response fine, but that's my opinion and nothing you say would ever change that.

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Skeelol
12.15.2011 , 06:51 AM | #443
Quote: Originally Posted by Garnet View Post
If you don't have data, you have no real indication of anything.

You were the best, you say? Maybe you were **** and everyone else was just more ****. You have zero hard evidence you were getting the most out of your characters.

Without information, who knows? Plenty of bosses on WoW had the exact same mechanics as you describe where one mistake meant game over, and several had 1 week locks out like Algalon.

You're really not making a convincing case for EQ raiding taking more skill than WoW raiding.
Exactly. Waiting for the inevitable silly reply to this.

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Mezgejas
12.15.2011 , 06:51 AM | #444
There are olympic games and paralympic games. Maybe they should make special versions of games for those asking for these meters and paralympic part is covered?

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Skeelol
12.15.2011 , 06:52 AM | #445
Quote: Originally Posted by stineo View Post
Oh I truly believe it. WoW is the dumbed down version of EQ1. If you want to take it as a troll response fine, but that's my opinion and nothing you say would ever change that.
Cool, i bet there's still people out there that think the earth is flat.

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DaPyro
12.15.2011 , 06:52 AM | #446
Quote: Originally Posted by Miotoss View Post
How many world firsts on your server I would guess not a single one. Very few american servers had a few of them.
very few server overall have worlds firsts, but our server has been very close to it a couple of times. havent been raiding in cata tho raided a bit in wotlk, GS dps meters and some other stuff has just ruined wow´s community,

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Sheneria
12.15.2011 , 06:53 AM | #447
Quote: Originally Posted by Mezgejas View Post
There are olympic games and paralympic games. Maybe they should make special versions of games for those asking for these meters and paralympic part is covered?
haha so much this
-Nostalgia is not as good as it used to be-

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Kormarf
12.15.2011 , 06:53 AM | #448
Quote: Originally Posted by stineo View Post
You said it best, content had to be dumbed down in WoW for people to finish it. Do I even need to go on?

WoW was just the answer to alot of disgruntled EQ1 players that could never compete in the high end scene. It was an exclusive club, not everyone handle the pressure and stress well. It was work, trust me you need to devote alot of time, pain and sweat. When you had to deal with 72 raid force and if one mistake happened then 3-4 hours of work goes down in the tubes. And then had to restart the progress a day later or a week later with lock out timers.

It was the most fun getting world/server firsts that took months to do. But the achievement alone was the best feeling I ever had in any game. Because no one else could do it.

Also don't get me wrong, I am not bashing the game WoW per say. It's only the WoW players who think that its raiding scene is hard core so they need crutches to help them be the best. The irony in that is what is so funny and frustrating. In order to be the best you need help with 3rd party apps? Does that make any sense what-so-ever?
Actually yes it does. Since we have been using the example of baseball in this thread I will continue with it. Baseball pitchers don't get amazing good just off of natural talent (although that is a large part of it) they get it from practice up to a certain point, and once they get to the point where they cannot improve themselves via normal means they turn to technology such as high speed cameras and motion recording. They take the data from those high speed cameras and convert them into numbers which they then use to determine small ways in which they can change their pitch to compliment the way their body naturally works.

People will always take extreme measures to be the best, video games are no different.

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Lamuse
12.15.2011 , 06:54 AM | #449
Quote: Originally Posted by stilllogicz View Post
You can obviously tell who the raiders are in this thread

I bet the same people against damage meters in game are the ones who are at the bottom of them and get flak for being a failure.

Now I understand people tend to get out of line and base everything on your dps/damage done but at the end of the day, there will be 3 difficulties. If you're a casual person, go do the easiest one.

You simply cannot progress on Hard Modes when you have no idea what type of numbers you and your guild are putting out. If a boss' numbers > yours = wipe. If your numbers > boss' = victory.

It's just that simple. Also there are people like me who get a kick out of being competitive. Let us be.
There was a time that I cared about hardcore raiding, still never used damage meters and our guild was generally in the top 5 on the server as well. When Cata come out, the raiding got tedious and all I really wanted to do was play the game.

You can progress on Hard modes without damage meters, and if you are really hardcore that's how you should play, no addons at all, and yes, EQ raids were harder than WoW raids for the following reasons:

1) getting 75 people gathered together to do the raid
2) getting to the boss before other guilds on the server got there and took it down
3) setting up tank rotation and healing rotation (without using any healing addons) and keeping the timing down, hoping you don't fizzle a cast (like you can't do now) and if it fizzled, you scrambled to keep the tank up
4) the sheer amount of time, 4-5 hours just to get to the boss, take 20 minutes to kill the boss and get 4-5 pieces of loot.

So yes, I would say that EQ raids were harder when I played them.

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Miotoss
12.15.2011 , 06:56 AM | #450
Quote: Originally Posted by stineo View Post
Oh I truly believe it. WoW is the dumbed down version of EQ1. If you want to take it as a troll response fine, but that's my opinion and nothing you say would ever change that.
72 mand raids were basically giant zergs I did almost every raid and competed for ever kill on a pvp server on tallos zek. They were zergs nothing more nothing less required little skill and no coord by todays standards. How do I know that the leader had to type everything out.
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