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Dungeon Finder Needed Badly


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Pink_Saber
02.08.2012 , 10:14 PM | #231
Quote: Originally Posted by MalignX View Post
If a introducing a RDF will "become the way to do it", and it ruins your grouping experience, then to me that just says you're the only one that enjoys the tediousness of looking for a group for 5 hours, and ever single person you're currently grouping with is just as anxious for a RDF as the rest of us here are. Otherwise, when they introduce it, you and your Guild will continue to find groups and run content the exact same way you do now.[/COLOR]
I really wanted to just ignore that and move on, but this to me just screams "I'll get what I want, and screw the rest of you who don't want it. I don't care why you don't want it, I'd rather just create a baseless stereotype about you to justify why my needs are more important than yours."

There are very few people, if any, who don't want to see the LFG system improved, but I think there are also a lot of people justifiably worried about what a WoW-style LFD system would do to the game. It's not at all about enjoying long waits, or preferring to be with your guild. If believing that makes you sleep better at night and makes you feel superior, go for it. But don't fool yourself into thinking that everyone who doesn't agree with you is some kind of freak. That doesn't help anyone.

Personally, I think something that facilitates grouping more than the current system would be great. I'm not a fan of long waits (though I've never waited more than 15 minutes or so for a flashpoint as it is -- probably less time than I'd get with this type of system), but I do think they greatly reduce the chance and quality of interaction between players (and before I get the usual flame, I'm not talking about the time spent spamming General).

If something like this is implemented, I'd hope that's seriously considered, and we don't end up with the same kind of thing they have in WoW. Making it easy to find a group doesn't have to come with the costs of that kind of system.

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MalignX
02.08.2012 , 10:30 PM | #232
Quote: Originally Posted by Pink_Saber View Post
I really wanted to just ignore that and move on, but this to me just screams "I'll get what I want, and screw the rest of you who don't want it. I don't care why you don't want it, I'd rather just create a baseless stereotype about you to justify why my needs are more important than yours."

I couldn't care less what this "screams to you". Edit: And yes at this point I do not care why anyone doesn't want it. Especially considering the fact that it IS already coming, and demonizing it instead of trying to come up with productive ways it could be improved, is boring at this point. Edit 2: My "baseless stereotype" is based on the continued regurgitation of a tired argument that keeps getting posted, but is based on opinion and attempted to be passed as fact. Irrefutable fact at that.

There are very few people, if any, who don't want to see the LFG system improved, but I think there are also a lot of people justifiably worried about what a WoW-style LFD system would do to the game. It's not at all about enjoying long waits, or preferring to be with your guild. If believing that makes you sleep better at night and makes you feel superior, go for it. But don't fool yourself into thinking that everyone who doesn't agree with you is some kind of freak. That doesn't help anyone.

I've never stated anyone who doesn't agree with me is a freak, but I have absolutely no interest in "helping" anyone. My desire for a RDF is absolutely selfish in the sense that I am only concerned with the way it effects me, and currently the grouping for Flash Points system is absurd to me. Am I asking for an exact copy of WoW? Not at all, I am open to any innovations that would make it better.

Personally, I think something that facilitates grouping more than the current system would be great. I'm not a fan of long waits (though I've never waited more than 15 minutes or so for a flashpoint as it is -- probably less time than I'd get with this type of system), but I do think they greatly reduce the chance and quality of interaction between players (and before I get the usual flame, I'm not talking about the time spent spamming General).

I disagree, I have waited for hours on hours spamming LFG. Your standard of quality interaction between players is likely very different than mine. I have found zero socializing in Flash Points as it is now, and it's fine. I do not run Flash Points to get to know you, I run Flash Points to complete content and get gear that I can't get normally. If you want socialization JOIN A GUILD. In my opinion, socializing should be what a Guild is for, and a Guild should be absolutely optional, not mandatory.

If something like this is implemented, I'd hope that's seriously considered, and we don't end up with the same kind of thing they have in WoW. Making it easy to find a group doesn't have to come with the costs of that kind of system.

Here I agree with you to the extent that in wanting a RDF I do not want YOUR experience diminished. But I also feel that if RDF is the crux that breaks the game for you, it isn't your core problem.
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PeacefulViolence
02.09.2012 , 12:47 AM | #233
Looking for LFG tool.

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Korrelic
02.09.2012 , 01:19 AM | #234
Although an automatic tool may have it's uses, an upgrade to the current tool whereby you can create a server wide entry in a LFM list, with comments to explain what you are looking for and for what content, would be on my highest want list. Make it have a join button so that a request to join is sent to the group leader and a whisper button so a private message can be sent to the group leader straight from the tool. Also make the LFG people entries in a server wide list that the group leader can initiate chats and reqests from. As, say at 50, a person is typically at one of four places, Belsavus, Ilum, Fleet, or on their ship, wherever you spam with LFG comments is likely to miss the very people who are interested in joining but doing something else to kill time.

Also, the whole socializing argument escapes me as since there is no voip there is no socializing anyway. The game is to fast paced to type and keep up with a group. This is unfortunate as ANY pug no matter how you fill the group is simply not going to socialize. Of all the groups I have been in for ANY content, conversations typically amount to where are you/eta, and thanks for the group and maybe one or two more lines of text in total. SWTOR as it is is about as far from a social experience as you can have in a multiplayer game. This therefore makes the whole anti argument largely invalid. That said, I simply fail to comprehend how even basic voip capabilities have not made it into game. That is something I think is a must have in any modern mmo.

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Lukeskyw
02.09.2012 , 02:02 AM | #235
Got to say a Dungeon finder would be a great idea would even cut down the Looking for group on general chat

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RedClip
02.09.2012 , 02:27 AM | #236
A few hopes and fears.

1. No cross server teams ever -

One of the main reasons I left World of Warcraft was the angry and acidic attitudes I saw directed at me and other players in the dungeons. There is some truth in the idea that some of these people would have acted better if they had to deal with the same people outside the dungeon.

I'm fairly certain Blizzard did cross server groups to address wait times of people trying to get into the dungeon. Two options I see to deal with this - 1) don't lock out higher level players and 2) allow player performance to boost their companion in a flashpoint so they can fill a missing player slot a little better.

2. Add it to the quest log -

This will allow Flashpoints, Operations, Heroic quests, and general questing to be covered at the same time.

It will do away with the "i didn't know it was there" excuse that the current lfg system is guilty of supporting.

It will be really hard to ignore and too easy to use to not give it a go. Blizzard had a problem with their first attempt at a global lfg system. Most people didn't use it because it was really easy to ignore and kind of a hassle to open the window and add your name. Alot of others didn't use it because no one else was using it.

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Darkstarstride
02.09.2012 , 02:37 AM | #237
i support an LFG tool but only same server based.

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MJHoyle
02.09.2012 , 02:51 AM | #238
Well I know one thing for certain, if Bioware does decide to add a LFG tool which creates a party out of thin air for me then I will quit the day before they add it. I am having fun at the moment finding and meeting new people, it creates a more social atmosphere in searching and communicating with others. Yes there is the problem of not enough people interested in group things from time to time or there are people who are interested but they're on other planets, and that's why I believe that an LFG tool that allows to do a global search for people interested in heroics/flashpoints is vital. The current LFG system is extremely limiting as it only covers the planet you're on by default and isn't very effective and very few people use it. Half the players who use it only click on it rather than noting down their status and what they're LFG for.
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[PlayerY]: no you mean nien numb or something like that hehe
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eudaemonea
02.09.2012 , 03:30 AM | #239
I'd be ok with a same realm flashpoint finder but NO cross server!

As it is right now, I have no issue finding a group to do things with. As you find others you like grouping with, put them on friends. The next time you want to fill a group, look at your list and see where those ppl are. If they're sitting on Fleet, ask them to join you. Groups fill for me in 5 minutes or less because I make the effort to find people I like grouping with and ASK them to go with me again.

If they suck, put them on ignore and forget they exist.

People too lazy to do a minimum amount of work in an MMO do not need to be spoon-fed content with automated systems placing you in groups. If it's cross server, it's only a matter of time before you get the same douche bag experience you had in wow dungeon finder -- which is why I no longer play that game.

Same server finder is fine imo. You'd still have the ability to find those same people to group with again later if you want (or ignore as you will...) and people would have at least some incentive to be team players instead of abusive jerks that comes from anonymous cross server finder systems.

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MJHoyle
02.09.2012 , 03:41 AM | #240
Quote: Originally Posted by xioix View Post
Something like this would be nice - http://i.imgur.com/57vZf.jpg
Did you take a screenshot of that from a test realm?
[PlayerX]: Wasn't numb bum in return of the Jedi?
[PlayerY]: no you mean nien numb or something like that hehe
[PlayerY]: nien nunb
[PlayerX]: Ah that wa sit