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What does the 1-49 bracket teach us about PVP gear?

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What does the 1-49 bracket teach us about PVP gear?

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SingleCoilPickup
02.08.2012 , 04:20 PM | #781
I think it's kind of funny that some of you believe that those who think PVP gear is silly aren't willing to work for things.

On a level (gear-free) playing field, you have to work and practice to have SKILL. The way things are now, you have to work and grind and work and grind to get gear so you can basically just spam your basic melee attack and faceroll noobs.

I would argue that you gear-heads are the lazy ones because you don't want to actually put real effort into gaining skill, you just want to grind hours and hours to get loot rather than make an effort to improve gameplay. I can sit in warzones AFK and stealthed for a couple of months and end up with Battlemaster and Gear and faceroll noobs too.

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Abiza
02.08.2012 , 06:18 PM | #782
Quote: Originally Posted by Jebi View Post
No, but i'm guessing WOW was yours?

Very, VERY wrong.
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Tyranoc
02.09.2012 , 05:29 AM | #783
Quote: Originally Posted by SingleCoilPickup View Post
I think it's kind of funny that some of you believe that those who think PVP gear is silly aren't willing to work for things.

On a level (gear-free) playing field, you have to work and practice to have SKILL. The way things are now, you have to work and grind and work and grind to get gear so you can basically just spam your basic melee attack and faceroll noobs.

I would argue that you gear-heads are the lazy ones because you don't want to actually put real effort into gaining skill, you just want to grind hours and hours to get loot rather than make an effort to improve gameplay. I can sit in warzones AFK and stealthed for a couple of months and end up with Battlemaster and Gear and faceroll noobs too.
I'm geared and my rotation consists of 8 - 10 of my abilities depending on the situation/threat...

If all you do is spam basic attacks then you dont deserve gear and yo deffinately dont deserve to have anything handed to you. However alot of you cry baby carebears are trying to take the attention off you and put it onthose who are destroying you by saying THEY are in fact the skilless ones because they are geared and gear means you can press 1 button to win.
Truth is if you had any skill in your body you would have some gear by now and know that not the truth. The fact that you have none and think its because EVERYONE ELSE is a noob sorta points that the issue is in fact you being the noob.

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NinjaScroll
02.09.2012 , 05:51 AM | #784
Quote: Originally Posted by Torleen View Post
People are leaving the 50's bracket and re-rolling characters so that they can continue to PVP in the 1-49 Brackets.

Lets really think about what that means.

It means that people would rather do the PVE grind AGAIN then put up with being the equivalent of being grey mobs in WZs who's purpose seems to be to entertain no one but the people who are lucky enough to have more free time or unlucky enough to simply have no life who get to kill you over and over again.

It means that PVP is MORE exciting when your adrenaline is pumping because you are in a pitched battle with someone who does the same damage and takes the same damage you do and it really comes down to quick thinking, reflexes and strategy that you EARNED through practice rather then because you have a statistical advantage over your opponent. Where the timing of every shot counts. And obviously that is going to be more exciting then losing simply because your opponent hits far harder and takes far less damage.

Gear based "PVP" is not a test of a player vs a player unless people really think that because someone was able to do more repetitive tasks over and over again because they don't have kids, or a job or a life (Or simply are willing to sacrifice those things they should be spending more time on) is somehow something that people can be tested for and be lauded as if they "accomplished" something.

The grind olympics? Is that something you want to be remembered for? You were better at wasting more time in your life then someone else so you "win"?

If we are going to have brackets, I think we should have a bracket where Expertise is shut off. ESPECIALLY if you are thinking E-sport. And ESPECIALLY if you are going to have a PVP rating system.

I have a feeling that bracket would be far more populated.

EDIT TO CLEAR UP A MISCONCEPTION: I do not feel that gear should no longer be acquirable through PVP. I feel that gear should be attainable through PVP, and be on par with gear in PVE. And that the advantage gear affords be curbed in PVP across the board. I am not asking for PVE to cause someone to win PVP. Resilience was the wrong answer. Expertise is no better.
+1.

This post is exactly what I have in mind.

+10

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NightHawke
02.09.2012 , 05:51 AM | #785
I hate the fact that I have to farm gear to be competitive in 50 PvP.

I dont want to farm gear, I want to have the gear of MY choosing so I can play a RPG character in this MMORPG according to MY concept of him/her.


I hate being pigeonholed, and wearing that ridiculous smuggler hat irks the dog crap out of me. Well that and my gear is purple/pink. WTH!
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Xerain
02.09.2012 , 05:53 AM | #786
to the op...

it teaches us who is bad at max level pvp.

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Calei
02.09.2012 , 08:15 AM | #787
Quote: Originally Posted by Tyranoc View Post
More cries and whimpers from the skilless who can now BUY their gear but still think they should have it given to them for free.
No one needs gear as incentive to play a video game. If you do, you need to uninstall the game from your computer and seek medical assistance.

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Calei
02.09.2012 , 08:24 AM | #788
Quote: Originally Posted by SingleCoilPickup View Post
I think it's kind of funny that some of you believe that those who think PVP gear is silly aren't willing to work for things.

On a level (gear-free) playing field, you have to work and practice to have SKILL. The way things are now, you have to work and grind and work and grind to get gear so you can basically just spam your basic melee attack and faceroll noobs.

I would argue that you gear-heads are the lazy ones because you don't want to actually put real effort into gaining skill, you just want to grind hours and hours to get loot rather than make an effort to improve gameplay. I can sit in warzones AFK and stealthed for a couple of months and end up with Battlemaster and Gear and faceroll noobs too.
Gaining skill is far more difficult than gaining gear.

I remember practicing in FPS games so much that my skill level could take on 3+ players at a time and defeat them all. This is also possible in MMO's due to the gear system. The gear gap alone in an MMO is what allows 1 player to handle 3+ players and defeat them all. Equal gear makes it very improbable for 1 player to handle and defeat 3 other players.

This is the main reason why anyone would defend the gear system.

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Tyranoc
02.10.2012 , 01:38 AM | #789
Quote: Originally Posted by Calei View Post
No one needs gear as incentive to play a video game. If you do, you need to uninstall the game from your computer and seek medical assistance.
Obviously they do... Other that or you are not reading the same forums. 90% of these posts state they need incentives/rewards. Simply killing is not enough. So maybe it is YOU who should seek help?

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Dasgruberg
02.10.2012 , 01:54 AM | #790
Quote: Originally Posted by Calei View Post
You're not the only one buddy. My entire guild and many people in other guilds I know are DYING for this game to come out. Realm vs Realm and non-gear based PVP. Oh how I rejoice the thought...
Cant wait for it to come out either so the chance for bioware bending backwards for all the whiners is lower, since theyll hopefully reroll GW2 ! good luck and goodbye