Healers = Alpha Class

Im a healer and I can't kill a tank with my abysmal dps. Tanks = Alpha Class.

They are impossible for me to kill -- Nerf Tanks

If that tank is guarding someone they are also impossible for me to kill therefor anyone a tank is guarding = Alpha Class.



Does this sound right to u guys?

Shield Tech get's Jet Charge, they sacrifice a lot of DPS to get those talents, Jet Charge is high in the tree.

I've got Shoulder Slam, but that only works within 5m and only against incapacitated targets and the knee slapper there is none of my CC's are considered "incapacitation" so Shoulder Slam is an ability that is so situational that its almost unusable.

When you do Knockback/Force Run I can catch you with grapple, but even that isn't 100% guaranteed if you've already got a resolve bar from my previous CC attempts. Its essentially a waste of the control ability at that point because it won't work.

So I can either...not use electro-dart and carbonite spray while fighting you, and hope that situationally I force you to flee, then use grapple on you, which will immediately fill your resolve bar, and then hope your resolve bar goes down enough for another CC to stick while I fight you when your KB and Run are on cooldown and your KB has a base cooldown of 20 seconds. So if you've used it and run away, and I grapple you back, in that space of time 5 seconds of the KB cooldown is already gone. So I CC you, lets say you can't break it cause your CC breaker is on CD, great thats 4 more seconds for me to damage you, only 11 seconds left on the KB cooldown, 4 seconds up, you heal the damage I did, I carbonite spray you and lets say you can't break out of that, so I damage you some more, thats 13 seconds down on your KB cooldown, heal through the damage again, Force Slow me, and even if I blow Hydraulic Overrides to get out of that you have your own CC you can throw down and..voila KB is off cooldown, KB me back even further, I'm stunned, can't move, Hydraulic Overrides wasted and you can then heal back to 100% and...run away, or have your grav round spamming friend come mash me into paste..whichever is relevant for the moment.

I would say most classes are balanced, but the ones that stick out the most (good player wise speaking) are either vanguards/powertechs or a good dps sage/sorc.

No the operative walked through the fire, he wasn't stunned in it. The JC in the original post got stunned in the fire, broke CC healed out of the damage, popped Force Armor and kept on going. But lol at conveniently mixing up the two examples for the purposes of attempting to invalidate a debate.

I am an arsenal merc with champ gear my burst dps can hit 12k in a few seconds and sages lolfacehealtank me every single time i get them to like 20% and they just shield and have full health again after a heal or two.

My Merc is 50, and I have a 50 ASN Tank. My tank is nothing but an annoyance to these healers (talking pebble tossers). My Pyro Merc has 7-8% EXP, and he really frustrates these guys because he dose DOT damage. The ones with sick gear can heal through me right now, but they still have to heal them selves not other players.

What I meant to say is when my BH gets into full champ gear, and if he has zero chance at killing a pebble tosser healer in a 1 on 1 then its a balance issue. My tank I am ok with not being able to kill a healer 1 on 1 my DPS should be able to kill one.

Right now my BH can drop these guys, but a good healer can heal through my damage in a 1 on 1.


All things being equal it should be a 50/50 in a 1 on 1: (If your looking for balance)

DPS vs Heals = Damage Done vs Damage Healed
Tank vs DPS = Damage Taken vs Damage done
Tank vs Heals = Damage Taken vs Damage Healed (This one would be the hardest to balance)

Correct me if I'm wrong here but I thought shoulder slam was unusable in PvP. I don't even have it on my skill bar.

I haven't played WoW since Ulduar so I'm not up to speed on that situation as it stands lately. When I did play WoW I took the road less traveled and was a Feral spec Bear Tank, rather than the rather always popular Resto spec or the Boomkin spec which was also fairly popular when I was PvPing in WoW.

I always take the road less traveled and I always do pretty well with it. And pre-50 yes I could maul healers pretty well. In the 50 bracket, not so much. And the difference is pretty blatantly obvious.

But...I'm sure someone will say its because all the healers in the pre-50 bracket were bads.

LOL I think its unusable anywhere. Like I said as an AP I have no ability that incapacitates a target. I don't even use it in PvE, much less PvP, I'm not sure why they even gave it to me.

Have you guys played WoW? It takes 3+ dps to take down my holy paladin and that game is supposed to be the "most complete game" out. Healers are meant to keep a group alive and what good is it if one dps can out damage one healer's heals. You beat good healers and groups with coordination and strategy. Just having someone spam lighting or tracer on a healer won't do much.