WHY so many tokens at bags?what about the ppl that worked hard for their gear?

I will not get it.
The grammar, plus the use of capital letters, plus the inconsistency of the argument makes it hard just to spot what you want to say. Even if I didn't stop reading after 5 lines.

for THE LAST IME:i wasnt lucky .i got my 1st BM at 65 LVL.

i had 5 champs only at 65.

stop the damn same excuses NOT EVERYONE WAS LUCKY.some of us DID pain alot to gear up.

same old story..a ******** that understands what he reads,but wanna play with ppl that wasnt born with english as their main language.

something new?

I have a hard time believing that the new system makes gear any easier to get...

I received 8 pieces of champ gear two of which were duplicates in the "old" system. I've opened probably 50-60 bags. At 60 bags that's a champ piece every 7.5 bags. Now yes I realize everyone had different results, however, that was the whole problem.

The new system now gives you 7-Champ and 15-Centurion tokens per bag. Centurion gear for all practical purposes is "gateway" gear. The Cent gear is not going to make you instantly competitive but at least you're holding your own a little. I welcome this personally. Killing a new 50 in 4-5 shots isn't exactly "fun".

Now the Champ grind honestly hasn't changed much, IMO. Take a 67 token head, legs, body piece for example. You're going to have to open 10 bags to get it. On a bad day in the old system it took you 10 bags to get a piece of armor. The only easy mode here is you're not going to get screwed on a duplicate item.

Yes my math/logic isn't perfect and some people were screwed more than others, this I can agree with. My point, however, is that the "**** TO DAMN EASY MODE NOW" issue that people are concerned about isn't as big as its being led on.

Hate say it WOW never Failed and seems to be still going strong, should try it pvp to Glad get your title and your gear, isn't that what you want? Or is that skilled based pvp

at least with u i can talk cause u sound to be reasonable.

at 60 valor rank u get 15 champs tokens.tis means that every tuesday u can have at least 1-2 items with tokens and 1-2 centurion items from champs bags.

now count some 3-4 WZs per day and ull find out that in one week u can have 600 exp.

easy..too easy imo.

Your grandma is playing? Cool huh?!

So...people who want PvP to be more skill based, less GEAR based, aren't the 'true pvpers'? You're honestly suggesting that YOU are a "true" PvPer because you believe gear based PvP is better that skilled PvP?

That's the stupidest thing I've ever read...

This OP has absolutely no idea what he is talking about.

You getting to lv 50 early on and grinding WZ's was difficult in what way?

You opening bags and getting champ items required what skill specifically?

Participating in UNRATED warzones to grind valor/marks what have you provides what distinction in player skill level?

You also complain that there's 15 marks in bags now. 15 MARKS! WHAT AN OUTRAGE. Well noobsauce those 15 marks are for centurion gear, which perhaps you havent looked at but the lv 50 orange gear has about equivalent stats.

So what did bioware do? They made getting a "starter set" easier...big *********** deal

The champ tokens....7 per bag seems reasonable, and at least now you can choose which item you purchase. I have quadruples and quintuples of the same champ items for off-sets because of the previous random loot reward. Thanks bioware for fixing this.

The OP laying claim that what he did was something glorious and difficult and now its all nerfed is complete idiocy. NOTHING has changed with the warzones themselves, and being good in these simple warzones does not require much skill, but being great does. The reward system changes do not affect your ability to properly cc/stun/focus fire/strategize/communicate whatsoever.

Bottom line...please get off your high horse as time spent =/= skill on any level or indicate that a "nerf" happened. At least have a valid arguement before you flood the community with your river of tears next time. Thanks.

Sorry bud, some of us have lives and don't want to grind gear the way they had it.

sorry to wake u from your dream.

wow was never a pvp game.

it was an elite pvp game fro certain classes.

i had one of them and i never minded.

but one day i woke up and realized what pvp means.

pvp means that all classes can play and compete.

find me a retri pally before wotlk that could do arena...with his 2 skills.

or any tank.

here a tank is usefull.

and then all of sudden i realized that there open PVP with objectives and prizes.

something wow will never have after patch 1.4.

u maybe are too young to say about wow -pvp-open pvp-other games cause u seems clueless.