Healers = Alpha Class

So wait, you had a 2v2 stalemate. So they didn't kill you, and you didn't kill them for 5 minutes. That sounds balanced to me. They also had the advantage that they only had to stay alive.

So wait, you had a 2v2 stalemate. So they didn't kill you, and you didn't kill them for 5 minutes. That sounds balanced to me. They also had the advantage that they only had to stay alive.

Deal is, guard is easy to see. As a PT, even as a DPS spec'd PT I have guard, I know exactly what it looks like, its not hard to tell when someones guarded.

A lot of the healers I have problems with aren't guarded at the time.

Now healer stacks are pretty common but not always easy to see. Such as in Huttball when you have multiple levels of access to various areas healers can be somewhere you're not even looking but in range of/line of sight of a target they're healing, making that target seem harder to kill than necessary, I get that.

But then theres just flat out impossible to kill Sages and Sorcerors who are not guarded. And I'm not ignoring other healers here but just singling these out for the moment.

First off the bubble negate your first burst of DPS, now, you can't opt to shoot them with your blaster to get their bubble down, you HAVE to blow that front loaded DPS just to get the bubble down and start damaging them.

Okay bubble down, heavy hitters in CD 5/8/15 seconds, but I can work with my instant/GCD's and still do some fair damage, so I do some damage, interrupt a heal, do some more damage, get my heavy hitters off CD and get ready to load it on and whoops they've got full HP again, which I then blow back down to where we just came from previously.

Now, put me up against a Vanguard spec'd Commando (You know, the Trooper AC that doesn't have an I WIN button?) its an entirely different scene, its completely skill based, tactical and challenging. This is my mirror class, as effective as me in the same level gear and I can generally win against my mirror spec.

But a healer, I'm lucky if I can drop a healer to half their HP, period.

Had a situation on Alderaan today, grass side gun(west side), me and a Sith Sorcerer Healer vs a Smug Scoundrel and a JC Sage, it was ridiculous. I couldn't kill the Scoundrel cause the JC kept healing him, I couldn't kill the JC because the JC kept healing himself or the Scoundrel healed him. Neither me or the Sorcerer could focus fire on either of them in any meaningful manner to get either one down. It was a situation of near to complete futility . We literally went around that gun for five minutes and no amount of DPS output even mattered.

I realize that healers are dealing with a 30% healing reduction in PvP, but when I can double stun a Jedi Consular in a fire pit in Huttball and they can pop their bubble and heal through and somehow survive me, the fire and anything else and keep going, HPS in is heavily outweighing DPS out.

Being a healer means, uhh, that you heal damage. You cannot out-heal a good spike by yourself, but you can, and should, be able to heal for a steady amount for a lengthy period of time. You say a healer is bad if they can't do a 2v1? I say a DPS is bad if they can't kill a healer 1v1, and especially more than that.


Some of the longest fights I've ever had in various MMOs have been while I was a healer or I was fighting one. That's how its always been and that's how it really should be.

Focus on someone that isn't a healer so they have to heal the other person. Use your interrupts, knockbacks and stuns. A Sorc/Sage has, iirc, one instant-cast heal, which is a measly HoT. Every class has a knockback of some kind, at least one stun, and an interrupt. Use them to your advantage and stop trying to nerf other classes because you find it difficult to kill a class meant to be your counter.

I have to admit I just hop through the acid and bubble/walk or sprint through fire as a healer. Unless we are focused down by 2 or more people there is no stopping a hybrid sorc/sage healer. We are the Gods in PvP and even more so in PvE.

All that being said not everyone wants to be a healer just because they are immortal. Some people like variety so there will always be a few different classes in a warzone match other than sorc/sage.

No actually its not balanced and I'm not just saying that cause I think I should be able to kill everyone I see.

Proper class balance design requires each class to have points of failure.

I have points of failure. Eventually my CD's will be locked, my migitation CD's will have been used I'll have thrown down carbonite spray, electro-dart and put out every bit of DPS I've got and I've blown my hail mary heal pack and thats it, I'm going to die. Theres no avoiding it unless I get lucky and get to healing spawn....which any smart player won't let me do.

And thats 1 vs 1, it can happen, it has happened, sometimes on the winning side, sometimes I lose.

Now, take that 1 vs 1 situation and make the other person a healer. Their points of failure, while there are at a much higher eventual threshold than mine. Because simple facts are the more HP you can keep, the higher a chance you have to win the fight.

So you're basically saying a healer should be able to kill a DPS class, because the healer's HPS can completely negate the DPS of the DPS class, while pushing the DPS class past its point of failure threshold.

Thats not balance. Thats Healers > DPS classes. And > Tank classes as well. With a possible stalemate at Healer vs Healer, and perhaps having to run away, really fast with either force run or throwing down an 8 second flashbomb in the case of the scoundrel/IA and getting out of dodge, in the case of a surprise attack from a Concealment IA or Scrapper Smug.

One class > all other classes isn't balance.

You keep coming back to a 1v1 scenario, the game isn't balanced around 1v1. When you get into 1v1 you have rock/paper/scissor situations. Yes in this game healers are not such easy targets 1v1 and they can fight back, especially if they have a hybrid spec.

You gave an example where you had a 5-min long 2v2 stalemate at a node in which you were fighting 2 healing capable classes. You stated that you could not output meaningful dps, which I take to mean they were CCing/LoSing/Interrupting, doing everything to survive because that is their job, to hold the node. They had a built in advantage of not having to kill you. That has more to do with the objective of Alderaan than it does to the strength of healers.