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What does the 1-49 bracket teach us about PVP gear?

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What does the 1-49 bracket teach us about PVP gear?

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tuxiewuxie
02.07.2012 , 10:53 PM | #751
tyranoc you just dont get it do you, i am a skilled player and you are not, you only have gear.

i am a skilled player with full orange gear i obtained from completing voss and corellia quests and my L46 weapon is my only pvp piece , i am pro twitch gamer and own in counterstrike and cod, but this game is all about gear and not about skill at all.

my guildies and and I were owning all warzones at lvl 10-49, we were always getting 10+ medals, after owning everyone and everything we all dinged 50 together, we are skillful because we are always together in vent and keep telling each other that we are pro and dont need pvp gear to be good. however my first warzone at 50 changed my mind about this game.

My first 50 warzone was civil war. my team and I went to ninja the other teams turret. The turret was guarded by an unskilled baddie in full battlemaster gear, he managed to kill 3 of us because of his op gear, because of my skill I managed to escape back to the middle, this noob doesn't bother chasing me and stays at the node, therefore it means he was scared of me I have more skill than than him and it was just his pvp gear that carried him, in other words i am the winner.

i will keep blaming the gear disparity and cry on forums, i will petition bioware to have expertise removed from all gear so that I will dont fail a 4v1 again.

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Zarthorn
02.07.2012 , 11:28 PM | #752
Quote: Originally Posted by Jebi View Post
The L2P argument doesn't really work when you're trying to convince someone why THEY SHOULD BE LOSING.

Damage is bolstered, gear is bolstered, skill are bolstered, HP is bolstered, stats are bolstered etc...

Sure, you don't have all the abilities of the higher level's, but if you actually know how to play your class, and how to use the environment to your advantage... you can easily take down much higher level players.

As a level 15 jug I got my solo kill medal from taking down a level 43 jug.

As a level 20 merc I was topping the damage chart, and objectives, and don't fear any class 1 v 1 regardless of level.

As a level 40 sorc I have zero problems topping healing AND damage even against level 49 twinks.

Maybe it's you who needs to L2P.

And nobody is saying 10-49 is perfectly balanced, but it's FAR better than the level 50 gear discrepancy garbage we are currently stuck with.



Yeah, but you had to admit he's entertaining. Poor kid doesn't know when to give up.
Actually you can get solo kills by finishing off someone who may have just survived a fight with someone, doesn't really prove much...however I will agree that 10-49 is a ton more balanced.

Heck I've been doing well with my Scrapper Scoundrel all the way from the early teens levels now at high 40's with an expertise weapon, do I still get killed if I do something stupid? Sure.

Can I still get beaten by someone lower level than me? Definatley.

Why? Because talent points are more like Realm Ranks from DaoC, you have more toys to play with but you are still the same as everyone else thanks to bolster.

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Jebi
02.07.2012 , 11:35 PM | #753
Quote: Originally Posted by Zarthorn View Post
Actually you can get solo kills by finishing off someone who may have just survived a fight with someone, doesn't really prove much.
Yes, you can, but that wasn't the case, otherwise it wouldn't have been relevant. Plus, it wasn't a once off thing either - and is fairly easy to replicate, unlike say... performing the same feat as a new 50 vs a bm geared 50.

Quote: Originally Posted by Zarthorn View Post
however I will agree that 10-49 is a ton more balanced.

Heck I've been doing well with my Scrapper Scoundrel all the way from the early teens levels now at high 40's with an expertise weapon, do I still get killed if I do something stupid? Sure.

Can I still get beaten by someone lower level than me? Definatley.

Why? Because talent points are more like Realm Ranks from DaoC, you have more toys to play with but you are still the same as everyone else thanks to bolster.
Exactly.

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Carbonated
02.07.2012 , 11:37 PM | #754
I pvp in my rakata gear because my pvp gear sucks and i have no problems competing and usually finish top damage done.
I used to be Part of the community But the aussie dollar is strong with this one.

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Tyranoc
02.07.2012 , 11:43 PM | #755
Quote: Originally Posted by Jebi View Post
The L2P argument doesn't really work when you're trying to convince someone why THEY SHOULD BE LOSING.

Damage is bolstered, gear is bolstered, skill are bolstered, HP is bolstered, stats are bolstered etc...

Sure, you don't have all the abilities of the higher level's, but if you actually know how to play your class, and how to use the environment to your advantage... you can easily take down much higher level players.

As a level 15 jug I got my solo kill medal from taking down a level 43 jug.

As a level 20 merc I was topping the damage chart, and objectives, and don't fear any class 1 v 1 regardless of level.

As a level 40 sorc I have zero problems topping healing AND damage even against level 49 twinks.

Maybe it's you who needs to L2P.

And nobody is saying 10-49 is perfectly balanced, but it's FAR better than the level 50 gear discrepancy garbage we are currently stuck with.



Yeah, but you had to admit he's entertaining. Poor kid doesn't know when to give up.

I like your style.

I have been pretty much been telling that muppet the saem thing over and over again. And the muppet who still has their head burried in the sand continues on their crusade screaming, "the system is broken because i can win, and the reason is they have gear!"

In a not so old previous post I pointed out a 50 Sniper who had nothing but orange gear who freaking dominated against 50's who were geared. It was truely remarkable! But people like the clown you responded to, and who I have been refering to quite often continues to ignore those facts and claim Gear destroys all! And that ungeared players are as capable of defending themselves as a potato against someone with any gear at all...

What you have attempted to point out, is the same things I have been trying to point out. And that is that the system isn't perfect, gear gives a huge advantage but doesnt gurantee a win, and that this so self declared PvP machine is actually in fact LESS skilled than a potato and needs to L2P.


As for me being entertaining I enjoy that remark. I am only still floating around despite the sheer boredom of this topic because of players like the above mentioned, who continue to wail about gear being too powerful... But still wanting it! However rather than trying to acquire it (which is now extremely easy making that "gap" between geared vs ungeared minute) believe thy should just be given it... The whole, "Either I have it or nobody has it!" is so preschool yet they continue to chant it and have tantrums.
You could write an entire behavioural science text book on such people. Their grasp of dedication and reward just doesnt seem to exist in their feeble little minds.

However carry on! As maybe the muppets will listen to you rather than screaming for BW to change their nappies and wipe their bums for them.

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rzrknight
02.07.2012 , 11:47 PM | #756
Really more people crying give me gear for free , i dont have time to play games cause im busy but i still want to win when i play.

Go get you champ gear that now is for free , and stop complaining.

I assure you , is not the gear that is making you lose.
The Lord said: "QQ enough and thou shall receive it."
The followers said: "I shall QQ my lord, i shall QQ."
And since then , not a single day passed without the QQs being heard.

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xxdragonragexx
02.07.2012 , 11:54 PM | #757
So you guys are telling me that my

level 49 marauder with 100% armor penetration, energy attack procs, 60% crit on force scream, force choke, 90% miss chance on enemy and a whole lot of fury abilities IS ON EQUAL TERMS WITH A level 10 marauder with only vicious slash?

So you guys are telling me that if these two fight, it will be 50:50 win/lose ratio? LOL!!! Did you guys finish high school at all?


Fights in 10-49 are more balance for the simple fact that players don't bother gearing up. There will be tanks in this game that drop like paper or worst than light armor for the simple reason that they didn't update their gear. When you reach level 40 and you gear up, you will see pure ownage in this bracket.

Lastly, if you are range, you will probably won't see a huge difference especially in huttball since you are killing people while they are doing tunnel vision on another. But if you are mellee, you will definitely notice a big change from 10-20 then 30-40 and 40-49.

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Tyranoc
02.07.2012 , 11:57 PM | #758
Quote: Originally Posted by tuxiewuxie View Post
tyranoc you just dont get it do you, i am a skilled player and you are not, you only have gear.

i am a skilled player with full orange gear i obtained from completing voss and corellia quests and my L46 weapon is my only pvp piece , i am pro twitch gamer and own in counterstrike and cod, but this game is all about gear and not about skill at all.

my guildies and and I were owning all warzones at lvl 10-49, we were always getting 10+ medals, after owning everyone and everything we all dinged 50 together, we are skillful because we are always together in vent and keep telling each other that we are pro and dont need pvp gear to be good. however my first warzone at 50 changed my mind about this game.

My first 50 warzone was civil war. my team and I went to ninja the other teams turret. The turret was guarded by an unskilled baddie in full battlemaster gear, he managed to kill 3 of us because of his op gear, because of my skill I managed to escape back to the middle, this noob doesn't bother chasing me and stays at the node, therefore it means he was scared of me I have more skill than than him and it was just his pvp gear that carried him, in other words i am the winner.

i will keep blaming the gear disparity and cry on forums, i will petition bioware to have expertise removed from all gear so that I will dont fail a 4v1 again.

The world trembles at the skill of you and your guildies... Oh wait... No we don't because you cant win 4vs1 which makes you COMPLETELY fail.

Even geared players can go down 1vs1. Its hard and its stacked towards the geared player, but not impossible. Especially if you have skill.
2vs1 A geared player SHOULD NOT be much of an issue. Yes, one of you are going to die, however the other should walk away victorious. Especially if you have skill.
3vs1... You have no excuse... None... What you have described in your story actually saddens me. There are ALOT of players on my server who I have seen do stupid things, but in no way have I EVER seen such a feat like you are describing.
4vs1... You pretty muchhave to have your group on autofollow for the whole fight to lose


I am trying... Trying very hard to even envision what you described as actually happening... But unless they were some godly Consular/Sorc (because I have seen some of them being pretty hard to take down) then you are simply a troll... Either that or the worst player to EVER play a MMO... And the fact that there are 4 of you... Petition away. Send bug reports. Report the players for being geared. As even the BW will find it hard to believe what you are saying is true.


As for the player being "scared" because he didnt chase you... Pretty sure that just mean you werent even worth chasing after. He killed 3 of your friends in 4vs1, you obvioulsy have the pure, raging power and talent of a newborn baby blowing out a birthday candle.

Keep fighting the good fight!

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commyjustice
02.07.2012 , 11:57 PM | #759
Quote: Originally Posted by tuxiewuxie View Post

My first 50 warzone was civil war. my team and I went to ninja the other teams turret. The turret was guarded by an unskilled baddie in full battlemaster gear, he managed to kill 3 of us because of his op gear, because of my skill I managed to escape back to the middle, this noob doesn't bother chasing me and stays at the node, therefore it means he was scared of me I have more skill than than him and it was just his pvp gear that carried him, in other words i am the winner.
I don't know if you're joking... or serious? If you're being serious, it sounds like you're the baddie who wants to play team deathmatch. Want to know why he stayed at the node? It wasn't because he was scared of you... why would he be if he could beat you guys in a 1v3? It's because he was actually playing the objective and trying to win.

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Abiza
02.07.2012 , 11:57 PM | #760
I don't want to live on this planet any more.
"At the end of the day everyone has to die, you should be honored the assassin chose you to die."

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