A Meeting of the Minds on LFG.

You can just straight up boot them.

LFD tends towards elimination of unilateral kick powers because of "abuse".

like i said, you think everyone who ENJOYS grouping up manually will no longer group up manually even though they ENJOY grouping up manually...

That they will pay 15bucks a month to STOP doing what they ENJOY doing (grouping up manually) and instead do what they do NOT enjoy (auto-group).

LOL...all I can say to that is sorry, but I am NOT going to pay 15bucks a month to do something i DO NOT enjoy - I am going to use that 15bucks a month on something I DO enjoy instead.

And you predicting that EVERYONE would spend their money on something they do NOT enjoy is... well... something I have never heard before nor have experienced before in the entertainment world.

Let's not talk about hate. Seems people hate LFG, dual spec, macros, addons, companions and pretty much everything else that is or could be in the game. The reasons range from stupid to slightly logical.

You clearly fail to understand what I'm saying.

People don't stop grouping up manually because they choose to do something they don't enjoy, they do so because either:

A. They do not see the effects of not doing so (grouping up automatically is more convenient, they don't see the cause/effect linkage between the desirable means and undesirable end, and therefore they do it).
B. They're "crowded out" by people using the tool, to the point where the base of people to manually group up with is too small to effectively group in this manner.

If you're the group leader. That's not always going to be the case, is it?

Add an ignore function to avoid future pairings. What's the problem now, apart from the fact that LFG tools somehow destroy the community?

Because you can screen the player either before extending the invite or right after thus allowing you to avoid being grouped with someone who you might otherwise choose not to be grouped with.

Also, griefers happen but griefers and ninja's thrive in LFD enviroments because its easy to exploit: The game provides the victims with zero effort.

but saying that, my pvp spec would be different than my pve spec, even though im doing the same role :/

so id like 2 specs

Using logic against feature haters is pointless work. Just move on.

And if you're all "abused" by a group leader, you can leave and make your own group, whereas with cross-server implementations, there's usually no way for you to forsake your "leader" and reform the group.

The ignore feature -- in implementation -- is not effective for three reasons:

1. It's not a deterrent of future bad behaviour. Being kicked and being called out in LFG/general/trade/on the forums means that people will see your name and not want to invite you in the future. This is a very real concern. You may have to name change or server transfer (i.e. spend real life money) to escape these consequences. With LFD there's a virtually infinite pool of people to abuse, so you just queue up again.

2. Most implementations cause you to avoid the ignored, rather than the ignored to avoid you, which means assuming you and the person you ignored would've been paired together again, you pass over the group and have a longer queue time, while they're unpunished.

3. There's a very large pool of griefers to be paired with, as opposed to an individual server.

A WoW-specific problem is that the vote to kick feature actually shields people from being kicked if they're being kicked too frequently.

So if you grief people to the point where you've been kicked many times in a day, Blizzard literally makes you kick immune for a time, so you can grief with impunity.

This is the logical conclusion of cross-server LFG.

Perhaps, but a large number of multiplayer matchmaking-based games manage to function despite this.

As I said, add an ignore function. On top of this, once the game finds an appropriate matchup, it could offer all players a chance to inspect the group they'll be joining before accepting, rather than just automatically throwing them in.

I guess it's just different priorities. I purchased the game and pay a subscription for it because I want experience the content, not to enhance my social life. If I'm playing the game, that's because I want to play the game, not spend half an hour spamming general chat, which apparently enhances the community.