Will the patch today keep you playing or from canceling?

It doesn't matter who you're paying. Blizzard, SOE, Mythic, Square Enix, NCSoft, and Bioware have all developed their games at a comparable rate.

The fact of the matter is that changes take time to develop, request approval from multiple levels, implement to alpha test, implement to beta test, implement to public test, choose a patch date for implementation, implement live and clean up, and maintain and bugfix. User requests for changes are irrelevant compared to how the developers view the game's operation based upon the game's core functionality.

No, any more of this and the patches will make me cancel. Since it obviously shows that bioware have no friggin clue what they implement on the live server.

No ilum buffs, no ilum valor and no ilum quest done. How did this **** ever get through testing? Or did they just skip testing?

I believe he missed the part where there was a lengthy and extensive beta of the game. My point? BW had plenty of notice, and time, to fix a lot of the major bugs that are still in place. So many of the issues with this game have been an issue since mid beta and were well documented, yet we still have them.

The entire performance issue with HeroEngine and how terrible this game runs on so many systems was brought up, yet has gone unaddressed. The list of long known issues just goes on and on.....

If the product wasn't ready there wasn't any reason to launch it, period.

Bioware has 1-2 months to improve the engine's stability to the point that my 6GB of system RAM and GTX 570 is enough to play on Ilum with more than 2-3 FPS - Lets be generous. Improve FPS to 15 (average) for me and I will stay.

I will be dropping this game like a bad habit and never look back if they cant within that time frame.

Happy they made the bag changes, finally, although it's still frustrating that I did 100+ hours of level 50 pvp with barely any gear to show for it. Don't even feel like playing my 50 anymore.

LOL at nerfing Shadow/Assassin instead of classes that actually needed it, and somehow breaking Ilum even more than it already was. Not to mention the countless major bugs that have been around for 2+ months.

I really want to stick it out because I enjoy SWTOR, but every patch the game just gets more frustrating it seems.

When in doubt point out grammar and spelling mistakes..lol

Why don't you two just call each other poo poo brains and be done with it?

Your argument is fail.

Just because other MMO's used to do something, and where bad at it even then, means nothing to how the current game should play. New times, new expectations. That is capitalism, those that fail to understand the nature of changing expectations FAIL in the market. Gear grinds for PvP were designed because they were too lazy and din't want to spend money and resources to get it right, they just copied the formula that worked for the PvE model. It did work on some of you. But it is just a cheap artificial system that rewards time played and nothing more. It is a PvE model tagged on artificially to PvP. It isn't intrinsic to anything, its simply lazy design.

People are allowed, and should demand more from their products as technology and knowledge of that system increases. That is one of the few things that capitalism does correctly, and you guys seem to want to ignore that.

Change is good. In consumer products change comes from customers demanding something better. They do this by moving to the product that offers that. Right now STWOR PvP game needs some help and may lose a lot of its PvP player base unless they do some real philosophical re-thinking about how they planned to do this. WoW is old news. They did great because they took what worked previously and they scrapped what din't work. PvP is something that many MMO players don't like because its been so poorly implemented. HINT HINT.

The PvP player base is much larger than most of these MMO companies realize. The reason people don't do it all that much is because of its poor design. Yes people don't like to lose, and some of them complain about it, but think about it! The ones that play FPS LOTS OF THEM LOSE ALL THE TIME. They don't really care. Why? Because it "feels" FAIR. They lost fairly. This makes ALL the difference.

Anyone remember Enemy Territory? I died all the time, everybody did! But it was so fun! I would play a MMO that modeled itself after that kind of game play (no not fps, but objective based pvp that feels fair even when you get your *** kicked) forever. You could still even have a moderate gear grind that gave people a small advantage and most people wouldn't care. You can still shoot and kill the guy with the rocket launcher with a pistol if you got the jump on him. That kind of feeling is what is missing here, its not about mechanics its about design philosophy.

Just saying...

wow what a patch update, I am seriously thinking of canceling my sub. even though it is wasted 77$ for the 6months. I can' believe the difference in illum and WZ pvp sucks btw. this ToR started right where galaxies lost me with the damn flavoring of the months for classes. On a side note why the heck do senti./mauraders not have force push yet EVERY other class does. medium armor doesn't equal tank.

Bingo. At last you get me. The problem is, their view and the direction they are taking are plainly wrong based upon the game's core functionality, and that's reflected on the patches.

I will give you a little example (which was adressed on beta several times), auto-follow camera. Anyone who had played an MMO knows auto-follow camera is for a minority of players and most people wants a free camera. What do you see in game ? Think about it.

I've been in the office all day, how did the change negatively affect illum and warzones?

Amen, will never spend another penny on a funcom game, ever, ever, EVER