If you are 50 and a PvPer, why are you still here?

No, you're using opinion and shooting at straws to fill your argument.

My position is simple logic, economics, and business structure. E-Sport eligibility is a far stronger argument than your "just because it's popular doesn't make it good" argument.

I'm in the same boat. This Game offers NOTHING to PvP-Players. I can't understand why new MMOS put PvP completely aside... I also can't believe i jumped on this GW2 Hype train.

Hell, Ilum still ****, still no duel zone, no competitive PvP, Valor still a boring and braindead Grind.

Im going to quit and see how the game is in 1.2

1> My friends
2> Potential

Nothing else.

You have still yet to provide what makes a game a PvP success.

Are you going to claim that your proof is Esport eligibility?

Is that the crux of your argument?

May I begin picking at it?

still here untill my 3 month runs out. I'll probably play through most of the character stories which interests me during that time. Also 3 months untill Tera comes out which seems to have an interesting combat system. the system in this game mixed with pvp isn't doing it for me unfortunately.

I'll give you the same courtesy that I gave people in WoW after they were saying the same thing a few months after release:

1. Can I have your stuff?
2. Don't let the door hit your ***** on the way out
3. bai.



On another note, to the guys that are ************ about the speed of bug fixes that likely don't understand the software development process due to their clear immaturity or general lack of common sense, it takes time and testing to implement a change. If they implemented an on the fly change that resulted in very major bugs (eg: preventing you from travelling to Ilum at all, or gave the other team valor when you kill them, or stuck death, etc etc), you'd be raising hell on the forums demanding your money back, or threatening a frivolous lawsuit, or threatening suicide, or something equally as stupid and juvenile.

tl;dr: If you don't like it, go play something else but don't post about it. ***** to customer service, not other players.

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I've had this problem before, particularly with folks who wikid an bit on economic theory or something along those lines. Or sadly these days many who have picked up a business degree. It's pretty standard in any argument commenting on WoW and MMOs are great for cultivating somewhat educated (or at least exposed to education) people who broadly attempt to apply thier academic theories to gaming and the genre. In a way its an issue with the popularized western approach to econ taught in low level courses.

There is room for a good deal of diversity in an area of gaming or any of the areas mentioned above. One can be really successful by appealing to the broadest base possible, or one can serve a niche market very well, both should be recognized as having some merit. Yeah esports are great to those that love them, to those that loathe them not so much. Basically folks should play games that cater to what they want, they're theoretically out there. Rather than trying to change a game that is starkly opposite your desires, its best just to leave (maybe without trolling for months on the forums beforehand). Yes.. people will be sad to see you go etc... no you probably do not speak for everyone playing, or even everyone on the forums.

You asked for proof that GW was a successful PVP game.

E-Sport leagues are businesses that do not cover unsuccessful games that won't make them money. ESL and WSG have covered numerous GW tournaments, not to mention the in-house tournaments ArenaNet has. The only other MMO to have such E-Sport coverage was WoW Arenas. That's not to mention the millions of copies GW has sold over the years, which places it with the likes of WoW, BF2, MW2, etc.

Your argument will probably involve something about DAoC not being E-Sport eligible yet still being one of the best MMO PVP games (along with EVE and WoW), but that has more to do with the fact that DAoC revolved around mass PVP rather than arena PVP.

So, yes, do refute the fact that GW's PVP was very successful.

This^

playing with rl friends and waiting for new content to come out. its nice to finally have a MMO everyone will play.