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Every patch that doesn't have a LFG tool is costing you players

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Every patch that doesn't have a LFG tool is costing you players

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Moricthian
02.07.2012 , 11:21 AM | #301
Quote: Originally Posted by Eldrenath View Post
Just because something CAN be made easy does not mean it SHOULD be made easy. I readily admit that most people would use the LFD tool if it was introduced. But my point is that my experience with an LFD tool was absolutely abysmal. I almost universally got one of the following: a completely silent group that steadfastly refused to chat, even if the chat was about tactics and approaches to the fights; or a group of complete ******s who couldn't understand why every player didn't have all top-tier gear and were not the best players on the server.

Yes, I admit that many people will use the LFD tool. I'll even admit that the vast majority would use it, because human nature almost always leads us to the path of least resistance. Which leads me back to my opening point: just because something CAN be made easy does not mean it SHOULD. In my opinion (which I state as an opinion, rather than an arrogant, condescending fact as you do in your post) is that the LFD tool does far more damage than good. You are, of course, free to disagree. However, my experience with a game with cross-server LFD was awful, and I was forced to use it since everyone was taking the path of least resistance. Nearly all my friends hated the thing, but nearly all used it. Because we, as humans, are idiots.
1. My experience with LFG tool in WOW was great.

2. Nobody is forcing you to use it. You can continue grouping with your guild/friends.

3. Most of us feel that running into the occasional jerk is well worth the accasability LFG tools provide.

4. You're confusing tedium with challenge. Many people find the current system tedious. We'd rather enjoy the challenge of actual flashpoints rather than the tedium of preparing for them.

5. LFG tool offers you choice. All you've offered as reason not to included LFG is personal experience/anecdotal evidence. Considering your personal experience will stay the same if you don't use LFG (as you will stil have control over who you group with), your evidence leads to the conlusion that you shouldn't use the LFG tool, not that it shouldn't be implemented at all.

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Ordric
02.07.2012 , 11:22 AM | #302
Quote: Originally Posted by Yuuj View Post
Congratulations. You failed to recognize the behavior and furthermore you've moved onto a different topic altogether. We aren't talking about a "Looking for Operations" tool, we are talking about a flashpoint tool and comparing it to the 'successful' PvP queue system.
oh sorry sir, I apologize for mentioning operations instead of flashpoints
I completely went out of context ... dont know what hit me

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Bejita
02.07.2012 , 11:22 AM | #303
lol im on empire and the fleet has 200 people on peek hours.....barely any groups are formed, but there sure is alot more spaming

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XOrionX
02.07.2012 , 11:22 AM | #304
Quote: Originally Posted by suzy_lee View Post
Please No!! I would hate to see a limitation of use for a LFG/LFD system,,,no CD, No max use per day, please.
BW has to find a way to please both sides of the fence. They have to do something that will keep the pro-LFD tool players happy, while not angering the anti-LFD players.

People have to be willing to compromise. If BW is smart they will make a tool that will please both sides of the fence to retain as many subs as possible.
"Never tell me the odds!" ~Han Solo

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Napalmbrain
02.07.2012 , 11:24 AM | #305
Quote: Originally Posted by Sir-Phobos View Post
Do you know what kills the community for than a LFG tool? People quitting the game because it is impossible to form groups to do the content.
I thought Bioware and most of you sheeple would have figured this out by now but it is obvious they don't care!

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Yuuj
02.07.2012 , 11:24 AM | #306
Quote: Originally Posted by Ordric View Post
oh sorry sir, I apologize for mentioning operations instead of flashpoints
I completely went out of context ... dont know what hit me

It isn't just that. Not only did you take a statement completely out of context in an attempt to invalidate the point that was being made (DUR LEVEL 10Z IN A HARDMODE OPERATION HAR HAR), but you couldn't even stay within the guidelines of the argument that was being had. Honestly, if you have nothing to contribute to the conversation, you should probably just sit back and watch.

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Yasuragi
02.07.2012 , 11:25 AM | #307
all a LFG tool does, in my opinion is lead to issues, IE Loot ninjas, peeps acting like idiots and more. Find more folks to play with is a hollow answer I know, but its how I've done it, we don't group every night, but we're doing stuff a couple of nights a week and having fun doing so. While I wouldn't quit over it, I would never use it. I got burned on that behavior from Wow, I left wow because of that. I'd really rather not have it here too.

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Andryah
02.07.2012 , 11:25 AM | #308
Quote: Originally Posted by IrisCorven View Post
The simple... "Form Group, Teleport inside instance" crap has essentially killed the community on ALL servers, in WoW.
Yep, did the same thing to Rift.

It was great if it was a group of guild mates or friends using the mechanics to easily assemble for a run on a spur of the moment when they were all scattered around the world.

But for PUGs it was most often a disaster. People did not even want to talk in group chat unless it was to demand that everyone "HURRY UP!", or to chastize someone for something, or to /paste a combat log epeen every pull. And of course loot fights between selfish strangers.

Once in a while you would meet someone who was actually social and strike up an in game friendship, but these became more rare as the douche baggery took over the system.

It's like putting PUG type typical behaviors on steroids and then exposing them to insanity creating radiation.
When you find yourself surrounded by hostile Clowns... always go for the "Juggler" first.

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Telendria
02.07.2012 , 11:25 AM | #309
Quote: Originally Posted by IrisCorven View Post
I think LFG/LFD SHOULD be in TOR? But not the current WoW version. The old version, that signs you up for a roll, and finds you a group. You still have to join up with eachother, meet up, etc. Maybe even a Ctrl-Click for missions that lets you start a LFG for that specific mission.

The simple... "Form Group, Teleport inside instance" crap has essentially killed the community on ALL servers, in WoW.
it is not worse than SWTOR community, that rages every single time anyone mentions WoW and marks them as wrathbaby, kid or other in****ing names, while providing nothing valuable to the discussion. Mankrik wife joke on Dromund Kass had like 20 minute follow up of people insulting one another for basically any reason they could have come up with...

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XOrionX
02.07.2012 , 11:25 AM | #310
Quote: Originally Posted by Yuuj View Post
It isn't just that. Not only did you take a statement completely out of context in an attempt to invalidate the point that was being made (DUR LEVEL 10Z IN A HARDMODE OPERATION HAR HAR), but you couldn't even stay within the guidelines of the argument that was being had. Honestly, if you have nothing to contribute to the conversation, you should probably just sit back and watch.
I lol'd at this.


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