If you are 50 and a PvPer, why are you still here?

How do you acquire gear? Does it involve skill? No. It simply doesn't. You can either grind out trading kills with the opposite faction until rank 60, or you can grind out WZ all day where you can eventually reach rank 60 just by joining and not doing anything else, win or lose.

Well, SW:ToR has an excellent single player story. ANet would be hard pressed to top it, and I highly doubt they could.

But there's only so much you can do once you level every class in this game to 50 for their story, when another game does everything else better. To be fair, I believe WoW already does everything else better than SW:ToR aside from the story. Just that I'm tired of both.

Not true in the slightest. Let's be honest here, most MMO players are terrible players. They are the bottom of the barrel in skill level. As a person who plays RTS, FPS, MMOs, Action games etc, etc, I notice I am significantly more skilled than the average "I just play MMOs" player. My Juggernaut has 2 pieces of Champ gear. A chest and offhand. In a 1 v 1 fight, as long as I can get that fight into a corner where no other player gets involved, I will beat any class at any gear level. A full BM geared person has a 15% bonus across 3 stats to a freshly geared 50. They take 15% less damage, do 15% more damage and 15% more healing from Expertise. I am, on average, more than 15% better than most pure MMO players due to their lack of experience in other, harder genre of game.

Dawn of War is a better RTS than SC2, but SC2 is the E-sport.

Mortal Kombat is the more fun fighting game, but Street Fighter is the one that gets all the tournaments.

Halo gets more tournaments than most other FPS games, second would probably be CoD.

Yet are Halo and CoD the best shooters? No.

Being an E-sport usually means you're the less fun game.

I canceled but have a few months left, since I paid 6 month sub

What is your excuse?

Ok, so I hope it is understood that WoW (hate to bring it up) didn't become the #1 MMO by being the zomgbestMMOeva. Bringing lots of ideas from other games together, having a great IP, a huge customer base (Asia anyone?) and most importantly (imo) attending to a new player base is what did it. SWTOR definitely does not speak to the same player base as GW2, and I think that is the root of lots of the hullabaloo on the forums lately.

People who whine incessantly about "lack" of endgame, would actually rather play Vanguard (is that still out?) or L2 or FFXI or whatever grinding gamers play these days (forgive me I don't know what game this is). People who whine about worthless PvP likewise fall into a few categories, they may be old UO, DAoC or Shadowbane players sad for the lack of open world play and meaningful consequences. They may be esports WoW players seeing no "competitve play" in SWTOR and discounting it, they may be enraged by the impact of gear, they may just be incompetent... the list goes on.

My point is just that, the game is what it is, and for an MMO (I've been through lots of them, I'm sure no one cares to hear me list them) the pace of updates and fixes particularly in PvP is friggin stunning. These are the things that keep me here, I personally think Star Wars is about the lamest setting ever written, but the new approach to MMOs has caught my attention and I enjoy the **** out of it.

Unfortunately your mileage may vary.

wrong, swg was great from the start, it got worse after soe added more content (cu, nge)

I've played in many professional tournaments for FPS and MOBA games. A Battlemaster will beat me 10/10 times no matter how much better of a player I am than they are. Just like in WoW, my S2, S3, S4, S5 Gladiator Hunter would beat any blue geared new 60, 70, or 80 without trying half as hard against an equally geared person. You can't argue this. Mathematics will disagree with you. If you do, I'd like for you to prove it.


Arguing that I'm being subjective when all of this is subjective. E-Sports are based on popularity. Popularity equals success. That's basic economics. I hate CoD and I'm a BF fanboy, but there's no refuting CoD sells far more copies than BF does.

You're making the assumption that Swtor subscriptions are soley based on PvP players.