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Every patch that doesn't have a LFG tool is costing you players

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Every patch that doesn't have a LFG tool is costing you players

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Bazouk
02.07.2012 , 10:57 AM | #251
Quote: Originally Posted by XOrionX View Post
Actually, it is ninja'ing.

The mods on that armor are items also, so instead of one piece of gear you are actaully rolling for 4 pieces of gear, the gear and the three mods.

When 100% of the gear is usable by one class and only 25% usable by the other class, then the one that benefits teh most fromt eh gear should CLEARLY get the loot.
that's your opinion. but when the button lets me click, and i can legitimately call upgrade, i'm clicking the button.

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AHierophant
02.07.2012 , 10:57 AM | #252
Quote: Originally Posted by TeoHTime View Post
So you won't have any issue continuing to manually invite people from that massive pool of potential group mates, which a LFG tool does not prevent you from doing, and will not be impacted in the slightest then.

What was your argument against the tool again?
Never had one, unless the tool spanned servers. Which I stated right away.

My warning from the LFG tool is that it will continue the dependence on the finder to create the group. If the tool is simply a centralized "area" to find members, then fine. But if it's a click-button join-group no-think then people start treating their fellows like dispensed NPCs with personalities because the essential human cooperation needed to form a group was eliminated. Then it moves on to the "no one speaks, ever" to the trolling, stealing, and harassment endemic in WoW.

If you de-humanize the teammates, then they won't be given the same considerations as before.
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Emeda
02.07.2012 , 10:58 AM | #253
Quote: Originally Posted by grueber View Post
I've already had multiple instances of people being idiots for loot rolls. Last night I had a marauder roll need on a slotted chest with cunning. Another run had a sage rolling need on a str saber that pissed off the Jedi knight in the group.

People can be just as thoughtless or stupid whether the group is formed via chat or LFD.
But without a LFD tool his reputation of doing that will either prevent him from finding a group again or stop him from doing it. A LFD tool will not.

If you hold the players accountable and have the players build a reputation on their servers then the jerks and ninjas will be weeded out and not be able to get a group to do those things. To allow the game to auto form groups just allows players to continue being jerks and ninjas with zero accountability (expecially cross server)

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bltzkrieg
02.07.2012 , 10:58 AM | #254
Quote: Originally Posted by CogitoErgo View Post
The patch that implements a WoW-style LFD they lose at least 1 sub and I'm sure many more than just one.
Do you often make statements that you can't corroberate. Your still here aren't you?????

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XOrionX
02.07.2012 , 11:00 AM | #255
Quote: Originally Posted by Bazouk View Post
that's your opinion. but when the button lets me click, and i can legitimately call upgrade, i'm clicking the button.
Yah, you are one of those.

Easily the most hated player type in the MMORPG genre.


And no, it is not an opinion, it is fact. 4/4 of the items are usuable by one class, and only 1/4 items are usable by the other. Hard to call that an opinion, it's basic math. =)
"Never tell me the odds!" ~Han Solo

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Emeda
02.07.2012 , 11:00 AM | #256
Quote: Originally Posted by Bazouk View Post
that's your opinion. but when the button lets me click, and i can legitimately call upgrade, i'm clicking the button.
And you sir a a perfect reason why LFD should never be added. Hey one of my companions can use that so I am rolling on it a screw anyone else in the group that needs it for his actual toon. I wouldnt want you to be in my group and I dont think 95% of the other players would either but LFD would force us to group with you.

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Moricthian
02.07.2012 , 11:01 AM | #257
Quote: Originally Posted by AHierophant View Post
Never had one, unless the tool spanned servers. Which I stated right away.

My warning from the LFG tool is that it will continue the dependence on the finder to create the group. If the tool is simply a centralized "area" to find members, then fine. But if it's a click-button join-group no-think then people start treating their fellows like dispensed NPCs with personalities because the essential human cooperation needed to form a group was eliminated. Then it moves on to the "no one speaks, ever" to the trolling, stealing, and harassment endemic in WoW.

If you de-humanize the teammates, then they won't be given the same considerations as before.
The PvP que should just be expanded to included flashpoints and heroic quests. Does this kind of stuff happen in warzones? Occasionally but not nearly to the apocolyptic community destroying levels you say.

Anti-LFD people - please stop using dramatic end of the world rhetoric when arguing against a LFD tool. Our PvP que has already proven you false.

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grueber
02.07.2012 , 11:02 AM | #258
Quote: Originally Posted by Bazouk View Post
you have no one but BW to blame for that. medium armor is fair game to anyone that can wear medium armor FOR THE SIMPLE FACT that is can be altered. if i could have altered it and turned it into an upgrade, i would have rolled need as well. that is not ninja.
Thanks I'll start rolling need based on the fact I can "wear" it even if the major stats are completely useless and I would have to reslot 2-3 of the mods to make it useful. Sure the 3 other members in my group may think I'm a ***** but hey I can equip it it's fair game according to you. Remind me never to group with you.

Unlike you I actually will stop rolling need if I have already won a piece on a FP run and someone in the group could use a drop. It's called courtesy.

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Bazouk
02.07.2012 , 11:03 AM | #259
Quote: Originally Posted by Emeda View Post
And you sir a a perfect reason why LFD should never be added. Hey one of my companions can use that so I am rolling on it a screw anyone else in the group that needs it for his actual toon. I wouldnt want you to be in my group and I dont think 95% of the other players would either but LFD would force us to group with you.
nah i don't roll on comp gear. but if i can make an upgrade out of something that I can use, i'm going to do it. that's why I'm in the dungeon. for upgrades.

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XOrionX
02.07.2012 , 11:03 AM | #260
Quote: Originally Posted by Emeda View Post
And you sir a a perfect reason why LFD should never be added. Hey one of my companions can use that so I am rolling on it a screw anyone else in the group that needs it for his actual toon. I wouldnt want you to be in my group and I dont think 95% of the other players would either but LFD would force us to group with you.
And let's be honest, he/she is the type of person that would be insta-kicked out of most groups. Let him/her continue with that frame of mind, it will only hurt them in the long run.

This type of behavior is exactly what angered me about LFD tools, some jerk comes in ninja's the epic and the quits group without finishing the dungeon.
"Never tell me the odds!" ~Han Solo