Every patch that doesn't have a LFG tool is costing you players

True, but I finally snapped sometime last summer and decided I was done putting up with jerks. I just started logging out and playing on an alt, as it didn't affect my kick timer.

Really those timers were just a source of hilarious arbitrary limitations with no real effect. Playing on an alt > leaving a group and being unable to kick the next jerk.

rift didn't lose anyone because of LFD. they lost almost everyone because they had to re-learn their toons nearly every single patch.

I have some great LFG stories.

One night a two friends and I (He was a healer, she was a DPS, I was the tank) got into a Halls of Stone. Something happened to my Healer friends 'kick' cooldown because he could chain kick without having to deal with the "You can't kick again" error.

We went through about... fifteen DPS that night. The thing I really need to clarify is that it was really late at night which meant the queues for DPS were really long because there weren't a lot of tanks/healers/players in general and we ended up getting two of our DPSers twice.

And kicking them twice.

Of course, this stopped happening in Cataclysm and they basically changed the kick functionality to something insane. I was in a GB with two DPSers that just could not pull their weight and things just were not dying fast enough. We went to go kick them. "You must wait 4 hours before using this function/initiating this kick." Uh what? We died... I went to kick them. "You must wait 10 minutes before using this function" Sweet... wait ten minutes, med back up. You must wait 4 hours before kicking this player."

So really, like everything in an MMO, the LFG tool went through stages. The first stage was the troll/exploit stage where people like me had a crap ton of fun harassing people with it.

The second stage sucked. I got stuck inside of heroics with terrible players who cheating the gear score system by equipping PvP gear and had to carry their sorry asses through content. I'm sorry, but that just isn't fun. Granted, this was it's own little slice of karma I guess because I sort of deserved it, but hahahahaha, screw you Blizzard, I cheated your system and here is how.

Post quitting WoW, we used to just use the LFG tool for the random reward. Me and four guildies would queue up and let the tool randomly place us inside of a dungeon.

Why?

Because the moment you make something easier to do (LFG), and reward players for doing it (Bags/Gold/Valor/Justice), three things happen. The first is the trolling/exploiting/cheating the system, the second is the terrible players getting special treatment, and the third is self entitled *****s ************ and moaning for the most idiotic things like mage or warlock tank specs because their queues are too long, wah wah wah.

So while this game needs an LFG tool for anti-social, dime a dozen, can't play worth crap DPSers and the people trying our heals or tanks for faster queues, people like me and probably half the other posters in this thread who know how to talk to people -don't- need it.

Does it ruin the community? In its own way, yes. Is it the end of the world? Nope. The LFG tool didn't make me an ******e, I was always an ******e. It actually made me feel guilty after a while and probably ultimately made me a friendly gamer. It also drove me into expanding my guild so I didn't have to instant queue on my tank anymore and run the risk of running with baddies.

That and, come on, it is harder to teach a pugger how to play with an LFG tool because there is zero accountability for their actions.

Actually i will play the devils lawyer it wasnt actually X-server LFD that ruined it all

BUT what ruined it all was the consequenses letting some "sort" of players that just wanted instant gratification, path of less resistance using that tool .

Basicly Leeching

by your logic there is no ninjas, because a lot of people in this game refer to ninjas as someone who rolls on gear that they can't use in the dungeon there in. So what you saying is no different then a tank rolling need on a Off spec gear that use 90% of the time.

Actually, it is ninja'ing.

The mods on that armor are items also, so instead of one piece of gear you are actually rolling for 4 pieces of gear, the gear and the three mods.

When 100% of the gear is usable by one class and only 25% usable by the other class, then the one that benefits the most from the gear should CLEARLY get the loot.

Yeah I guess some people have different views on groups. Because to me, you ARE just a warm body. That's what most people are because it is a group quest. I NEED to run with others to hit up flashpoints, get gear, see new things.

I do not need to be BFF's with the people I group with. I don't care. Sure I'll have some favs or friends that I can run with but most likely not a full groups worth. If you want to have the community best friend group running thing go for it. Don't use LFG. Go find/make your friends just as if it was not there. Me? I'll grab a buddy, queue as a duo, and go do some dalies while the Tool finds the other 2.

Ad Hominem. Please disregard.

Yep yep.

Yeah. Most people had left RIFT long before the automated LFG system went in, and then they added cross server and free server transfers because it was required as all but about ten servers were completely dead.