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Dungeon Finder Needed Badly


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DarthKhaos
02.07.2012 , 02:12 AM | #961
Quote: Originally Posted by Ethern View Post
I notice you have ignored my direct response to you twice, and avoiding the subject. May I conclude you bring nothing to the table served by this thread as well?
I did see your response and you answered the question I asked. You explained what you meant. I didn't realize you wished a response form me. If you noticed I'm not arguing for or against a different LFG Tool or System. I'm talking about using the current one until another one is put into place. BioWare already stated they're working on one but it wouldn't magically appear tomorrow.

The largest problem the current tool has beside design flaws is that people don't use it. It could be the greatest thing since sliced bread but it wouldn't matter because it is not used. As I've said before they can put in an identical system to World of Warcraft but if the same amount of people uses it as the current tool it's going to be just as ineffective.
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MalignX
02.07.2012 , 02:14 AM | #962
Quote: Originally Posted by LordRahlik View Post
Ehum... You are wrong... A MMO *with* any form of lazy mode, crap, I-don't-want-to-join-a-guild, game destroying LFG-tool is a disaster that will bleed players no matter how good the game is in other aspects. We finally have a game where the company has decided against adding a LFG tool and I seriously hope the keep it that way.
Uh. They are adding a LFG tool, if you had bothered to read the first page. Your lazy/joinaguild/doomsdaygamedestroying argument is moot. Sorry.
Just because I do not care, does not mean I do not understand.

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Neiloch
02.07.2012 , 02:19 AM | #963
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthKhaos View Post
As I've said before they can put in an identical system to World of Warcraft but if the same amount of people uses it as the current tool it's going to be just as ineffective.
Key word there is 'if', I'm pretty sure people would be slightly more inclined to use a tool that is a decade more advanced.

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LordRahlik
02.07.2012 , 02:28 AM | #964
Quote: Originally Posted by crica View Post
...The players you are NOT grouping with now, however, will enjoy having an LFD tool to use for getting groups - which will affect you in no way whatsoever.
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This is the biggest misconception of all and it's the reason why I hate the LFG tool and why I will always be extremely much against it.

It *WILL* affect me. **** loads. Even though I will never use it, even though I will never want to sign up in it.

With the LFG tool people will become lazy, rude and loot stealing - it's a fact and it's clearly visible in all games that have an LFG tool since you need ZERO effort to get a new group or group member.
- No of course everyone will not become this, you will still have luck and find fantastic people to group with. Is it 90% that will be rude, lazy and ninjas? Or 50%? Or 30%?
I really don't know, but it will be a substantial amount of people who will become worse players.
- Lazy, what do I mean with this? People don't want to group with someone who don't know everything in the flashpoint/heroic quest from the start. They will kick people who they consider to be beneath them and they will not have the strength or the willpower to listen to a boss explanation.
- Rude, what do I mean with this? Since there now is NO effort in getting a group and NO negative effect by behaving like a baboon, people will slowly decay into rude-ness and name-calling land. They will attack other players first without thought or without even being certain that their target was the one who did a mistake.
- Ninja/Loot-stealer, what do I mean with this? People will need on items that they want for whatever reason (good looks, steal one single item modification, take for companions) and sometimes even leave the group directly after they got what they want. The LFG tool will promote this and help people achieve this.

The above negative points will seep through the entire community of the game, perverting it and destroying it. It will affect me, my guild mates and everyone I meet in the game to such an extent that it will directly, negatively, impact my game experience.

Now - you can argue how much right or wrong I am in the above points as much as you want. We have a CLEAR example in WoW where the community was COMPLETELY destroyed with utter and even professional a-holes left so we KNOW that LFG will affect the community negatively. Like I say, you will still have luck and find decent people, but the chance is reduced severely.
But you can NEVER say that it will not affect me.
It will affect me very very much since the whole community will tilt when this is introduced.

My suggestions:

World-wide LFG chat channel with local channels on each planet.
Level world-wide LFG channels.
/who LFG = will ONLY show people who are looking for groups with their comments wherever they are in the world (with the possibility of selecting levels too).

and so on and so on.

But it should be a chat channel.
It should be an effort.
It should demand you to travel to the flashpoint/heroic quest YOURSELF without teleport or other crap.

This is a must to keep the community sane.
Societies in decline tend not to innovate. I just wish we had cellphones to report quests. Guess light speed tech and cell phone tech are mutually exclusive.
I know this image is supposed to be an insult, but it's not.
Two similar games and yet SW:ToR is so much better.

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crica
02.07.2012 , 02:36 AM | #965
Quote: Originally Posted by LordRahlik View Post
This is the biggest misconception of all and it's the reason why I hate the LFG tool and why I will always be extremely much against it.

It *WILL* affect me. **** loads. Even though I will never use it, even though I will never want to sign up in it.

With the LFG tool people will become lazy, rude and loot stealing
um, hello? anyone home? knock knock

how is it going to affect YOU if YOU are not going to group up with the players who are using a tool YOU are NOT using?

you will NEVER be in a group with players who use the LFD tool because you never have to use the LFD tool since you already get groups!!!

the players who will be using the LFD tool are the players YOU ARE NOT GROUPING WITH RIGHT NOW and will NOT be grouping with when the LFD tool is in the game.

You make ZERO sense when you say players who will be using a tool to group up will affect you even though you will NEVER group up with them because you already have groups to play in without having to use the tool!!!

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Neiloch
02.07.2012 , 02:37 AM | #966
Quote: Originally Posted by LordRahlik View Post
This is the biggest misconception of all and it's the reason why I hate the LFG tool and why I will always be extremely much against it.

It *WILL* affect me. **** loads. Even though I will never use it, even though I will never want to sign up in it.

With the LFG tool people will become lazy, rude and loot stealing - it's a fact and it's clearly visible in all games that have an LFG tool since you need ZERO effort to get a new group or group member.
- No of course everyone will not become this, you will still have luck and find fantastic people to group with. Is it 90% that will be rude, lazy and ninjas? Or 50%? Or 30%?
I really don't know, but it will be a substantial amount of people who will become worse players.
- Lazy, what do I mean with this? People don't want to group with someone who don't know everything in the flashpoint/heroic quest from the start. They will kick people who they consider to be beneath them and they will not have the strength or the willpower to listen to a boss explanation.
- Rude, what do I mean with this? Since there now is NO effort in getting a group and NO negative effect by behaving like a baboon, people will slowly decay into rude-ness and name-calling land. They will attack other players first without thought or without even being certain that their target was the one who did a mistake.
- Ninja/Loot-stealer, what do I mean with this? People will need on items that they want for whatever reason (good looks, steal one single item modification, take for companions) and sometimes even leave the group directly after they got what they want. The LFG tool will promote this and help people achieve this.

The above negative points will seep through the entire community of the game, perverting it and destroying it. It will affect me, my guild mates and everyone I meet in the game to such an extent that it will directly, negatively, impact my game experience.

Now - you can argue how much right or wrong I am in the above points as much as you want. We have a CLEAR example in WoW where the community was COMPLETELY destroyed with utter and even professional a-holes left so we KNOW that LFG will affect the community negatively. Like I say, you will still have luck and find decent people, but the chance is reduced severely.
But you can NEVER say that it will not affect me.
It will affect me very very much since the whole community will tilt when this is introduced.

My suggestions:

World-wide LFG chat channel with local channels on each planet.
Level world-wide LFG channels.
/who LFG = will ONLY show people who are looking for groups with their comments wherever they are in the world (with the possibility of selecting levels too).

and so on and so on.

But it should be a chat channel.
It should be an effort.
It should demand you to travel to the flashpoint/heroic quest YOURSELF without teleport or other crap.

This is a must to keep the community sane.
WoW community was crap WELL before a DF came to be. So no, that is not an example. Not only that, OTHER GAMES HAVE IT TOO and low and friggin behold, the community didn't fall down all around them.

This idea that it some how MAKES people worse is THE most asinine idea I have EVER heard in video games and a top contender for what i have heard in general. People ARE who they ARE. If you met jerks after DF was launched, guess what? GUESS WHAT? THEY ALREADY WERE JERKS. So people were getting worse even when you stayed out of DF I can promise you it wasn't PURELY because of the DF.

*dun dun dun*

Yes I know this must come as a shock to you but yes, all these things are true.

Consider your argument thoroughly smashed if you actually like knowing what you are talking about.

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Neiloch
02.07.2012 , 02:39 AM | #967
sorry double post

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DarthKhaos
02.07.2012 , 02:40 AM | #968
Quote: Originally Posted by Neiloch View Post
Key word there is 'if', I'm pretty sure people would be slightly more inclined to use a tool that is a decade more advanced.
You probably didn't hear me with the sound of my point going WOOOSSSHHH over your head.
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Neiloch
02.07.2012 , 02:42 AM | #969
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthKhaos View Post
You probably didn't hear me with the sound of my point going WOOOSSSHHH over your head.
so your point had nothing to do with half your post? Nice.

No one is going to use the LFG tool enough for it to matter, give it up. Same way they won't use a horse and buggy just because they don't have a car. Just because its the only option doesn't make it a desirable one.

Players aren't gonna 'tough it out' when its a friggin video game. they basically decide if its bad enough, most likely compunded with other factors, to either work around it or leave outright. Same reason why MMO's that try and 'ease' people into PvP focused gameplay when thats the only option fail. If people are dead set on not wanting it, they never will.

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iraqcombatvet
02.07.2012 , 02:44 AM | #970
"Improving our LFG system is high on the list of features that Systems Design wants to add to the game. We want this to be good not just for helping people find Flashpoints and Operations to run, but also other multiplayer content like heroic missions. A key emphasis will be on advertising for specific role needs (healer, tank, DPS). This feature is currently in the design stage, and once this feature has moved beyond this to a development stage and has a firm ETA, I'll be coming back to you guys to give more details.

We've known we would need to revisit this feature for a while. In the level-up game, finding players isn't too rough because, with few exceptions, everyone in that level band is either on your planet or on the fleet. Once more and more players hit endgame, and are spending their time in more places, the need for this feature is going to increase. Note that right now, high level players have the opposite problem - there aren't enough other players up there to group with. This problem will dissipate as the game ages, and more players reach the later levels.

That being said, our design team doesn't philosophically believe that cross-server Flashpoints are good for the game at this stage in the game's lifespan. There is huge social pressure to not be a jerk that goes away when the odds that you will never see these people again is high. I'm not saying never - there may come a time in the future where we reevaluate this - but at least in the short term, we believe this will cause more damage to the community than good." (Bioware Statement)


No dungeon finder = Incompetent designers
No Cross-server mergers = Incompetent designers
Some of the statements made by Bioware = Incompetent desigeners
What needs to happen = Don't ever make another MMO, you suck. lol.