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Shouldnt there be a big difference in new 50s and BM 50s?

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Shouldnt there be a big difference in new 50s and BM 50s?
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Quibbling
02.06.2012 , 08:10 PM | #241
I believe the root of the issue isn't simply gear discrepancy. The root of the issue might really be lack of scaling challenge in pvp because of lack of any ranking system to keep people of similar skill/gear against each other. In unranked PVP, getting better gear results in the game becoming less challenge, instead of more...

In PvE, we expect that as we move upwards in PvE dungeon tiers, the difficulty to increase. But in unranked PvP, things just get easier as you move up because you don't get to see better competition.

I don't mind people getting much better gear. I think the heart of the issue is competition - which only declines in quality as gear discrepancy grows between people on the same battlefield. People should be pitted against people of similar gear level.

They really need to get gear-ranked WZ in as soon as possible, as well as add cross server WZ (so they can quickly fill WZ with equally geared people).
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Brimmer
02.06.2012 , 08:21 PM | #242
Quote: Originally Posted by mondose View Post
i just you go stick to ur mindless fps games...

the nooobness of ur comment is soooooo awmgggg so nooob man

okok the gear difference between champion and battlemaster is so little it doesnt even matter

also gear adds another part of the skill element into the game "strategy" you gear out your guy to have different stats (using mods etc) which adds a bit more strategic element to the game

sorry if ur guy sucks and isnt properly geared at 50 but! its so easy to get gear and once you get champion/cenarion nothing is much of a upgrade anymore

i see this one sided arguement all the time "in mmo people wit higher gear always win"

it is completley untrue p;

essentially all it does is help keep the noobs at the bottom and the commited player at the top of the scoreboards

if you just dinged 50 and u havent farmed for ur gear and you play against me (bm rank) and our gear was even do u still think u could win? It would be more even but u still wouldnt win
In your own words...."the nooobness of ur comment is soooooo awmgggg so nooob man"

As to the comment about people with better gear always winning, that isn't the case, but it sure gives them an unentertaining (for both sides) advantage.

What fun is there in killing a foe who has such a huge disadvantage before the fight even start? The only thing I like about expertise is taking out a foe who vastly outgears me then /laugh at them.
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bowtec
02.06.2012 , 08:40 PM | #243
i think this would not be such a problum if there was more world pvp.i personaly do not care to be forced to que up.i do but just for the grind i dont find it (fun).there should be reasons to pvp,on tat, hoth,ect.with missions that have meaning.bases to take and hold something instead of a que or illum witch could be cool but is kinda a joke the way its set up now.im not sure what the reasoning behind not having epic battles,or just a cool night of open world pvp is but some one(bioware).needs to figure this out.in short pvp and pve should work togeather,but i think right now pvp is gettin the shaft!

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Lazirus-
02.06.2012 , 08:57 PM | #244
Why people don't want gear to matter in a game where fighting other players is inherently about rock, paper, scissors is beyond me...

Maybe this isn't the genre for you.
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Razot
02.06.2012 , 08:58 PM | #245
Quote: Originally Posted by rafter View Post
This thread is the perfect example of why PvP in MMO's is retarded.

If you think PvP is about gear, you're a noob. If you think MMO PvP should be about gear, don't bother telling anyone how PvE is easy mode and the real challenge is in PvP, because you've proven you don't care about challenge, you just want to roll newbies.

PvP should be based as much on skill as possible and as little on gear crutches as possible. Unfortunately, most people who claim to be PvP'ers are the gear crutch type. You know the kind, the ones who race to the end game and gear up before anyone else so they can destroy lower levels and people with inferior gear. These are the same people who whined when they made a 50 only bracket and we no longer able to farm the masses.

Hopefully Bioware doesn't cater to these people and decides that skilled competition is better than who can level and gear up the fastest.
Yup and i might add they will be the first to whine when nobody queues up for pvp anymore and they have to wait an hour between matches. And what i love world PVP will be dead.

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GregMD
02.06.2012 , 08:59 PM | #246
Quote: Originally Posted by Lazirus- View Post
Why people don't want gear to matter in a game where fighting other players is inherently about rock, paper, scissors is beyond me...

Maybe this isn't the genre for you.
Because rock paper scissors isn't good pvp

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Lazirus-
02.06.2012 , 09:00 PM | #247
Quote: Originally Posted by GregMD View Post
Because rock paper scissors isn't good pvp
Then maybe you shouldn't play a game that has people with a lot of health, people who damage health and people who heal health.
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Darth_Paddy
02.06.2012 , 09:27 PM | #248
Seriously, this is what your whining and complaining about...that people with better gear are harder to play against?.

It take about 2 weeks to get yourself geared in champion once you pop 50, thats it. It's not that hard to do. Most other MMO takes a lot longer and more work to get your PVP gear then it does in swtor, be grateful.

I think the bigger problem fresh 50's have is lack of experience at higher level gameplay. I have an alt, and do the lower bracket WZ's with it and sorry to say the quality of the gameplay is atrocious compared to lvl 50. Yes the gear also makes a difference but do not think for a minute the level you played at 1-49 is anything like 50's. You need to relearn how your playing.
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salvadorellama
02.06.2012 , 09:29 PM | #249
Quote: Originally Posted by nightchrome View Post
So you want a more uneven playing field in which skill is less relevant?
This.

I want to see a PvP experience in which skill, not gear, decides who wins.

Gear should give you a *slight* edge. Not put you in godmode.
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Mhorlok
02.06.2012 , 09:30 PM | #250
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It take about 2 weeks to get yourself geared in champion once you pop 50
best case scenerio perhaps...

Over 7 hours played tonight to get my daily and I have 1 of 3 wins.

I went from 18 Warzone commendations to 970 and still only 1 win - thats alot of Warzone Commendations coming all from loses.

Tonight I get 1 Champ bag - after 7 hours of play, I don't think 7 hours a night is considered "casual"

So how do you figure 2 weeks to be in Champ gear?
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