Shouldnt there be a big difference in new 50s and BM 50s?

You're right...they shouldn't have what you have. You should have fancy titles, cooler looking gear, and slightly higher stats because of your gear. Not a massive advantage such as the one that exists now.

Lets just be able to buy all gear for 1 credit, I mean any gear, you know the rare thing you got from that really hard boss on a hard mode, or that crafted earpeace which took ages to make. Well now a guy who runs into the wall half the time and clearly is mentally impaired gets the same stuff just because. Yes that would make the game heaps fun, and challenging too...or not

As the Op stated he "felt" like he deserved an advantage from gear and a lot actually need a gear advantage in order to PvP, once the gear advantage is smaller, also is their chances of success. People tend to see gear as the only way to improve their character in MMOs, in turn gear now becomes their crutch once they feel that way.

After all look at all the "don't nerf my gear!" or "don't close the gear gap!" threads which have been popping up since they announced the "gap is too big between new 50s and BM geared 50s". After all their intentions for the pvp gear was originally 10% gap, not 30-45% advantage.

DOnt care for your fixes but i agree with the direction.

No amount of complaining about gear will fix this issue. In fact it will only make it worse.
So what if they change gear so its all equal or everyone gets full BM. Now what?
No more farming crates.
No more need for valor.


The point of this is that PvP has not enough content.

The progression needs to be PvP progression and since this is an RPG it means it needs to be RPG style progression.

Heres an idea. Take ilum as is.
make it so that once you take a point the previous point becomes inaccessible to the other faction.
Meaning you can prevent them from crate farming the central area and if you take their base you gain access to a new area.
That is basic RPG PvP progression.

Or endless Ilum.
where if you take all objectives a new Ilum spawns that for the winning side is only accessible via the the other faction base in the previous ilum. They enter at the oldest instance same faction base.
So the stronger team has to go farther and farther until the fight is "fair" due to logistics.
The losing side enters ilum at the newest instance friendly base.
Each instance taken gives a persistent world buff to your faction.
more creds from missions. more crafting supplies. better bag drops.

there was another thread about this which i thought had some good ideas on PvP improvement although not great it was in the right direction.

Universe at war

You have no idea what you're talking about when you make this statement. It is significantly more "even".

The gap between a fresh 50 vs a champ or BM geared 50, is vastly more disparate than the gap between even a level 10 and a level 49 in the 10-49 bracket.

Way to come off as a fool.

Those are the only kind of posts which get replies, the coherent ones don't even get a second look as they make whoever is presenting counter argument realize they are just wrong. Read my reply before before that and prove me wrong. For the record even my foolish reply holds more ground than your rant about entitlements being bad.

This is pvp, not pve. They who indulge in that time sink take pride in their boss kill, pvpers take pride in killing the other guy. Our time sink and challenge comes from COMPETITION, we want the other guy just as geared as us, thus validating our victory. We don't wanna time sink for gear we wanna compete with equally gear opponents. That's the fun part. That's what we enjoy. Watching a back pedaling clicking scrub kill players just because of his gear is not competition rather a game rewarding a lifeless individual...

The original poster mentioned that Rift died due to a nerf to pvp gear. Actually I think it died because the nerf didn't come soon enough. For several weeks people were mentioning that the gear difference was insane and many of them (including myself) finally quit before any nerf to gear was ever implemented.

I had other stuff going on so I didn't level as quickly as most but the same people I embarassed in the low lvl bracket destroyed me along with a couple either people at the same time due to gear, and only gear.

i just you go stick to ur mindless fps games...

the nooobness of ur comment is soooooo awmgggg so nooob man

okok the gear difference between champion and battlemaster is so little it doesnt even matter

also gear adds another part of the skill element into the game "strategy" you gear out your guy to have different stats (using mods etc) which adds a bit more strategic element to the game

sorry if ur guy sucks and isnt properly geared at 50 but! its so easy to get gear and once you get champion/cenarion nothing is much of a upgrade anymore

i see this one sided arguement all the time "in mmo people wit higher gear always win"

it is completley untrue p;

essentially all it does is help keep the noobs at the bottom and the commited player at the top of the scoreboards

if you just dinged 50 and u havent farmed for ur gear and you play against me (bm rank) and our gear was even do u still think u could win? It would be more even but u still wouldnt win