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What does the 1-49 bracket teach us about PVP gear?

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What does the 1-49 bracket teach us about PVP gear?

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Noctournys
02.06.2012 , 07:02 PM | #581
Quote: Originally Posted by Torleen View Post
Every single victory in PVP you have because you were doing more damage or taking less damage then your opponent was handed to you. If you were as good as you say you are you would not need the advantage.

And that's the point. We support a game where you have to practice to get better. You support a game where your team gets to start on the 50 yard line, and your opponent starts on the 100. Then you go on acting like you are somehow "better" when you win.
I do less damage than Operatives, so i lost the match because the game was unfair?

You took less damage because you're a guardian and wear heavy armor. Unfair?

Your argument doesn't track.

There is no such thing as an MMO eSport.

The game has DICE ROLLS in the background. Hitting, and how much you hit for, is variable.

No skill can compensate for it.

Its not an eSport, its an RPG.
entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem
Also, 'cause im tired of talking about it:
http://www.swtor.com/community/showt...222960&page=11

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Evilbrood
02.06.2012 , 07:07 PM | #582
Quote: Originally Posted by shirayuki View Post
because no one wants to get owned for a week or two to get gear
Kinda like my lvl 45 scoundrel stun locking people to death from 100%-0% cause they are lvl 20. Seriously people like the lower bracket pvp cause twinking your toon out is alot of fun. I almost have 100% surge with trinket and 31% crit no procs. With my shadow buddy we destroy people in my stunlock in secs. If you say everyone is at the same lvl cause of the buffer. Give me a break. A lvl 20 doesn't have enough abilities to counter my scoundrel.

Oh wait....low lvl pvp takes skill since my buddy shadow is getting 4k backstabs and my shot first hitting for 4k. Most of the low lvl pvpers are just really just bad at playing lvl 50 pvp cause everyone has their abilities and they don't want to grind the gear.

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Torleen
02.06.2012 , 07:09 PM | #583
Quote: Originally Posted by Tyranoc View Post
So wait... You want everyone who hits 50 to have all the same stuff regardless ot how much time and effort they put into it?
Yes. Because if you could actually PVP you should not need better "stuff".

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In regards to your "War" example. That only applies to "Lids" or as you would call them new recruits. After 8 years of military service I gurantee you the kit I have is better than the kit you would have if you just joined our battalion. YES, you WOULD get the same issue as everyone else. But me with time in rank and trade have modified my rig and pack to suit me and my needs. I have also gone and acquired (using my rank and connections)/purchased non-issue items to further improve my performance.
Whilst you fidget around trying to zero your optic sight, zero your Night Aiming Device, and figure out how to configure the remote switch for your NAD, mine is done.
You can carry 2 x F1 grenades. I can carry 4. You can dedicate an entire minimi pouch to carrying 40mm grenades for the M203 (if you are ever issued one), I have a dedicated pouch that carries 12, that I have seperated for different types (HEDP, Smoke, Illum).
You would be wearing standard issue GP boots. I wear SF issue M9's which I have acquired.
Hell don't even go into my personal camouflage which I made during my time in Recon platoon, support company... More crap YOU WOULDNT have. Point being if you and I were deployed on operations in a war like environment, even though issued the same stuff my stuff would be/is better.
Sure. And that is totally asinine. And not in any way applicable to a GAME that people PAY to PLAY.

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In much the same way if you had a Marauder who turns 50, you too WOULD HAVE THE SAME items as mine. Medium armour, relics, implants, ear pieces and 2 light sabers... But seeing as I have been 50 since around december 28 my kit is BETTER! And i deserve that. I have done the hard yards and opened endless amounts of champ bags. I have been the noob who was ganked by the geared people... And guess what? I SURVIVED AND DIDNT WHINGE! And its paid off, because I have earnt my kit, developed my rotations and continue to play PvP.
Any wins you got by having better gear are not "deserved". They were handed to you. This is about entertaining competition. You tell us we feel like we should be "entitled" and all we are asking to be "entitled" to is a fair fight. I mean, if your honor and personal integrity would allow you to start the 100 meter dash at the 50 meter mark just because you have been running longer and then wear your gold medal with pride then I again think you should re-consider why you PVP.

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And The part I find even more interestinis that if the role was reversed and you were the one with 600+ Specialisation you wouldnt give 2 craps, and wouldnt think there is anything wrong with the system. But because you arent part of the cool club you drown these forums with your heart felt tears.
No. I am a competitive athlete. And if I won because my opponent was at a severe disadvantage I did not win.
Want to hunt griefers/gankers?
Do you like to PVP, OR RP, OR both, or either?
Honor might just be the guild for you!

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Torleen
02.06.2012 , 07:11 PM | #584
Quote: Originally Posted by Noctournys View Post
I do less damage than Operatives, so i lost the match because the game was unfair?

You took less damage because you're a guardian and wear heavy armor. Unfair?

Your argument doesn't track.

There is no such thing as an MMO eSport.

The game has DICE ROLLS in the background. Hitting, and how much you hit for, is variable.

No skill can compensate for it.

Its not an eSport, its an RPG.
My argument tracks just fine. We have been around and around about this. I am not alone in my feelings on this matter as this thread proves.
Want to hunt griefers/gankers?
Do you like to PVP, OR RP, OR both, or either?
Honor might just be the guild for you!

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TehMerc
02.06.2012 , 07:12 PM | #585
Quote: Originally Posted by Evilbrood View Post
Kinda like my lvl 45 scoundrel stun locking people to death from 100%-0% cause they are lvl 20.
Another reason I don't really buy into the lower brackets being balanced, 20 something talent points is a big deal.

Levelling an alt through pvp was rough till I got to the mid 20s; still a pain in the *** but less so.

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Evilbrood
02.06.2012 , 07:12 PM | #586
Quote: Originally Posted by Torleen View Post
No. I am a competitive athlete. And if I won because my opponent was at a severe disadvantage I did not win.
Then you shouldn't be playing MMO pvp.

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Torleen
02.06.2012 , 07:13 PM | #587
Quote: Originally Posted by Epicrisis View Post
I would love to PVP and see my character's progression be marked by a ranking, valor rank, achievements, medals, matches played, titles, pets, mounts, position in a team, ability to play higher "level" warzones, PvP halls with rooms for ranks, special quests, ect.

I do not care about my gear, besides the way it looks (and barely even then). I only care about my gear because someone else has better gear than me, and I can't beat them. I loved pvp level 1-49. I would be happy if everyone in PvP was wearing Battlemaster gear so we can have an even fight.

Gear progression is not character progression. Especially when the gear is won by time and luck more than skill and character.
This post is platinum.
Want to hunt griefers/gankers?
Do you like to PVP, OR RP, OR both, or either?
Honor might just be the guild for you!

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Torleen
02.06.2012 , 07:15 PM | #588
Quote: Originally Posted by Evilbrood View Post
Then you shouldn't be playing MMO pvp.
I have just as much right to play this MMO as everyone else who paid to play. Bioware is clearly listening. If you need the gear crutch to win and are concerned that you might have to actually learn to play that is on you.

It's up to them to decide. But I will not stand by and let the "illusion" that people who have better gear through grinding are better at PLAYER vs PLAYER continue.

Seems the message is being heard.
Want to hunt griefers/gankers?
Do you like to PVP, OR RP, OR both, or either?
Honor might just be the guild for you!

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Evilbrood
02.06.2012 , 07:16 PM | #589
Quote: Originally Posted by TehMerc View Post
Another reason I don't really buy into the lower brackets being balanced, 20 something talent points is a big deal.

Levelling an alt through pvp was rough till I got to the mid 20s; still a pain in the *** but less so.
Its ok. Once you hit 40 and get the pvp set. Do Belsavis heroic dailies/saving commendations for crit/surge mods then and the other and you will have a blast. Also buy epic quality ear/implants and make sure you keep your barrel/hilt modded with the highest lvl of you and epic quaility. Then you have the best twink pvp ever. It beats out wow twinking imo.

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Kelticfury
02.06.2012 , 07:17 PM | #590
Quote: Originally Posted by Torleen View Post
I have been PVPing for around 14 years. And I hate the whiny elitist gamers more then anyone. What's worse is they are rarely even any good.
True as true can be. I might not be the best pvper, but I make an effort to learn my class, and use the abilities when they should be used and hold off when they shouldn't.

Big problem is most of these "elite" pvpers come from games where they can hit the same 4 buttons in the same order all the time and win.