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What does the 1-49 bracket teach us about PVP gear?

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What does the 1-49 bracket teach us about PVP gear?

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Torleen
02.06.2012 , 06:39 PM | #571
Quote: Originally Posted by Tyranoc View Post
You people whinge and cry because others have something you dont. You have to earn things, not just have them handed to you.
Every single victory in PVP you have because you were doing more damage or taking less damage then your opponent was handed to you. If you were as good as you say you are you would not need the advantage.

And that's the point. We support a game where you have to practice to get better. You support a game where your team gets to start on the 50 yard line, and your opponent starts on the 100. Then you go on acting like you are somehow "better" when you win.
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Torleen
02.06.2012 , 06:43 PM | #572
Quote: Originally Posted by Krondorf View Post
Hahaha, you are entertaining to me.

I think you are scared. Scared of change, scared of being outplayed because you and a bunch of other first 50's had it too easy.
And you know it!
Well he admitted he would just try to find some other exploit. Yet he seems to be silly enough to tell us that we are the ones who feel entitled. It's so ridiculous to see some of these people try to make it look like they are "hardcore" for needing training wheels.
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TehMerc
02.06.2012 , 06:48 PM | #573
It's totally different on my server, most of the people with any pvp skill have stayed in the 50s bracket, creating a pretty balanced pool of warzone players on both sides, the 10-49 bracket has gotten worse as I think most of the less able players have stayed there.

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Torleen
02.06.2012 , 06:49 PM | #574
Quote: Originally Posted by Jebi View Post
Yeah, I'd rather pay $15 a month to 'work'.
I don't mind "work" but it should be work towards perfecting a skill. I was in the top five at one point on my SWG server. I did not get there by gear, I got there by spending time with the best duelists and PVPers on my server learning from them, praticing my timing and perfecting my play style and build. THAT kind of work is enjoyable.

Forcing us to be the footstools for the people lucky enough to of ground out gear is not enjoyable.

I have no desire to be handed anything. But the system they created hands the victories to people who don't want to actually develop real pvp skills. They want to grind and then pretend they are "good" at something when they see their names on a scoreboard. Because clearly they have achieved something when they killed people who had absolutely no chance against them.

The funny thing is, the victories you get when gear is not a factor are so much sweeter. And the fights you have to fight in order to get those victories are a hundred times more exciting.
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Torleen
02.06.2012 , 06:52 PM | #575
Quote: Originally Posted by Ravenevo View Post
You should just play guildwars.The developers of that game (Anet) keep PvP on a even plaing field where skill is the determining factor of victory, It's by far the best PvP in a mmo i have played.
For some reason not many ppl play this free to play MMO, probably becouse when they lose they have nothing to blame but themselves.
The game looks pretty good too.
The developers said they wanted an E-sport worthy experience with PVP.

If that is what they want, they are going to have to develop this game in a direction that puts more emphasis on skill. This is why WoW was removed from the lists of competitive game play. Gear was too much of a factor and being good at PVP in WoW could just as easily mean having no life.
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Torleen
02.06.2012 , 06:54 PM | #576
Quote: Originally Posted by LastSurvivor View Post
Wow it's funny just reading these comments I can tell exactly who the douchebag elitists are who boosted to 50 during the first week and farmed their BM gear off lowbies (who stood no chance) before the brackets were introduced. Grats guys, you didnt earn your gear, you cheated your way to it. You should be proud... :/

I agree wholeheartedly with the original poster, gear shouldn't matter, skill should matter. What's the point of playing pvp if you have to lose 100 games just to get the gear required to reasonably have a chance of winning?

And don't say "if your good you can beat 'em, noob!". My logic is that if two people of equal skill face each other, the person with better gear/consumables will win every time. This just is not fair in a pvp arena.
Well said.

But supposedly people who feel this way don't exist.
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Epicrisis
02.06.2012 , 06:55 PM | #577
I would love to PVP and see my character's progression be marked by a ranking, valor rank, achievements, medals, matches played, titles, pets, mounts, position in a team, ability to play higher "level" warzones, PvP halls with rooms for ranks, special quests, ect.

I do not care about my gear, besides the way it looks (and barely even then). I only care about my gear because someone else has better gear than me, and I can't beat them. I loved pvp level 1-49. I would be happy if everyone in PvP was wearing Battlemaster gear so we can have an even fight.

Gear progression is not character progression. Especially when the gear is won by time and luck more than skill and character.

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Torleen
02.06.2012 , 06:58 PM | #578
Quote: Originally Posted by rzrknight View Post
All i read was ... i dont have patience to achieve nothing BW , plz , deliver to me for free right now.
All I read in your post was "I have no patience for actually learning how to play. BW plz deliver me wins by making me do more damage and take less damage from everyone. That way I can pretend I won."
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Meiu
02.06.2012 , 07:00 PM | #579
Gear: Supporting bad PvPers since 2001.

All these people acting like grinding pvp gear is work is sort of funny. You get paid to work. You are not being paid to play this. If you find any of it to be work. You need a job XD

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Torleen
02.06.2012 , 07:01 PM | #580
Quote: Originally Posted by Ojaix View Post
Here is what it teaches us, most of you people complaining about needing a starter set of gear once you hit 50 is because in the 10-49 bracket you dominated and now you're to afraid to be dominated by people that have worked long and hard for what they have.

Finally got a sorcerer up to level 10 today and wasn't really shocked at this but the same level 40 seemed to be attracted to me and any other way lower than them like magnets!

I get it but if it is about being equal how about a starter set for level 10? I mean it is only fair that those of us with no chance should be equal right? Now I don't believe this for 1 second but to all of you crying and whining, grow a set and jump in there and take your lumps in the 50 bracket!
Being good at PVP, (I mean actually good, not using the PVP gear training wheels.) comes from work to get better at PVP. Not from gear. The notion that you have some sort of "work ethic" is ridiculous. Practicing and strategizing and making that strategy work is "working long and hard" for a deserved victory.
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