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Please, Don't Roll on Items for Another Class in Your Team

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Please, Don't Roll on Items for Another Class in Your Team

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ferroz
02.06.2012 , 03:32 PM | #581
Quote: Originally Posted by CoolSprog View Post
Put simply anyone who needs on loot for there fake pixel buddy companion, over the needs of a real person who actually needs that loot is simply selfish and you should waste no time on pond life such as them.
That's amazing! Where did you find in game loot that players can wear?!!1!eleven?

Oh wait, you're talking about loot that one of my character's would wear, and you're comparing loot for their fake pixel buddy companion vs loot for loot for their fake pixel character.

In both cases, a real life person is rolling for things that the real life person wants.
In both cases, a real life person wins the item that they wanted.
In both cases, a fake pixel character winds up equipping the item.

Why do you you think that it's reasonable to tell one person that they aren't allowed to roll need on that?


Quote: Originally Posted by CoolSprog View Post
If you cant see the difference between the pixels played by people and the ones played by...no one, i suggest schooling.
I don't see the difference between the one set of pixels played by you and the other that is also played by you.

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ferroz
02.06.2012 , 03:37 PM | #582
consolidated double post

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Eldren
02.06.2012 , 04:00 PM | #583
Quote: Originally Posted by jmdatcs View Post
Cut the companion needers some slack. If they "need" to gear their companion with anything other than kind of near to level greens to get through the non-heroics, they suck really, really bad. Just be glad they didn't cause you to wipe on the fight.

Seriously though, in all the discussions I've seen about this, I haven't seen anyone point out how unimportant blue, and especially purple, companion gear is. If you really do "need" it, you are all kinds of suck.

Maybe someone has said it, but I haven't seen it (admittedly I haven't read any where near all of the posts on this, but who has the time?).
I'm afraid this just doesn't hold up, and approaches dangerously close to attacking the person instead of the idea. It seems like you're unable to actually refute someone's legitimate claim to an item they helped cause drop, so you instead cast aspersions on the person holding a view contrary to yours. Very bad form, and it only makes you look worse, not them.

As has been asked already, if someone wants an item that you want, what makes your wants a higher priority than theirs? At the end of it all, you were in a group who all worked to defeat a boss who dropped some loot, loot that different players all have equal rights to, even if it's for radically different reasons. The best you can do is roll on a priority that matches your personal desire for the item, and let the dice fall where they may.

No one owns it til it's been put in someone's inventory, so no one can "steal" it from someone else. After an item goes in someone's inventory, it's theirs, and you have no right (and thankfully no ability) to determine what someone else does with their property. All the bully-tactic threats of guild or server blacklisting, dire predictions of that player's inability to get groups in the future, won't change that fundamental fact: it's theirs, to do with as they want, and they don't require your permission to roll Need on it in the first place.

So why act as though they should?
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itekazzawrrlic
02.07.2012 , 05:23 PM | #584
Quote: Originally Posted by Eldren View Post
I'm afraid this just doesn't hold up, and approaches dangerously close to attacking the person instead of the idea. It seems like you're unable to actually refute someone's legitimate claim to an item they helped cause drop, so you instead cast aspersions on the person holding a view contrary to yours. Very bad form, and it only makes you look worse, not them.

As has been asked already, if someone wants an item that you want, what makes your wants a higher priority than theirs? At the end of it all, you were in a group who all worked to defeat a boss who dropped some loot, loot that different players all have equal rights to, even if it's for radically different reasons. The best you can do is roll on a priority that matches your personal desire for the item, and let the dice fall where they may.

No one owns it til it's been put in someone's inventory, so no one can "steal" it from someone else. After an item goes in someone's inventory, it's theirs, and you have no right (and thankfully no ability) to determine what someone else does with their property. All the bully-tactic threats of guild or server blacklisting, dire predictions of that player's inability to get groups in the future, won't change that fundamental fact: it's theirs, to do with as they want, and they don't require your permission to roll Need on it in the first place.

So why act as though they should?
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CBGB
02.10.2012 , 11:54 AM | #585
Quote: Originally Posted by Eldren View Post
it's theirs, to do with as they want, and they don't require your permission to roll Need on it in the first place.
So why act as though they should?
We're still stuck at the difference between 'can' and 'may.' The first requires no consideration of anyone else while the second does. Clearly you can roll, but whether you should is a different question.

'Needers' here seem to feel that loot dynamics can be managed simply by looking after your own interests, leaving your teammates in turn to look out for themselves. But doing so is not only inconsiderate, it also weakens your team.

If my Marauder rolls on an item that improves your Agent but not vice-versa, and if I do the same, we will each improve our stats only half as often. If the rest of the team responds that way, our odds of bettering our abilities drop to a quarter. Your chance of getting, say, an upgraded chest drop in an FP run drops from roughly 1-in-6 (as a few items are not only class but AC-specific) to 1-in-24. Bleah.

Grabbing 'because I can' is a losing standard.

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EvilGoodOne
02.10.2012 , 11:58 AM | #586
Needers getting kicked and never getting invite again, if they are from my guild - getting kicked out of it - no explanation, no talking, no QQing, quick and quiet.

Its not to punish, but to avoid them, they can run in groups when everybody needs everything, i aint care.
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ArtMonster
02.10.2012 , 12:00 PM | #587
You guys sure do linger in the 'hate' area of the forums.....



*clicks 'need' .....again.



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Nightfox_
02.10.2012 , 12:02 PM | #588
Wow, this thread is still going? All of you realize it's the exact same two trolls, who are probably the only people in the entire game who will ninja your loot for companions.

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BinxDarkstar
02.11.2012 , 01:34 PM | #589
I look at it this way, if you want to need on a non-class item, that's fine. If I want to kick you out of my group for doing so, that's also fine.

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Setanian
02.11.2012 , 01:46 PM | #590
Quote: Originally Posted by BinxDarkstar View Post
I look at it this way, if you want to need on a non-class item, that's fine. If I want to kick you out of my group for doing so, that's also fine.
I look at it this way, if you think you can dictate to me what I can need on, you aint getting into my group

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