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Shouldnt there be a big difference in new 50s and BM 50s?

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Shouldnt there be a big difference in new 50s and BM 50s?

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CrunchyGremlin
02.06.2012 , 03:33 PM | #171
Quote: Originally Posted by TheRFC View Post
That makes no sense

I don't think that people appreciate how tedious life is on SWTOR currently for those who concentrate on their PvP. For casual PvPers, those who go mostly for PVE - you guys have SO much more to do. You have loads of flashpoints etc, you usually do it with a group who want to all co-operate ... you don't have the AFKer issue ...
I agree with this in as much that PvP has inadequate content.

Having gear destruction/drops would add some player content but there is a need for more reasons to fight.

novelty goods help. but more worlds to conquer is where it needs to go.

you know it would be pretty awesom to be able to achieve a title that gives you the ability to buff the server with a darkside buff. like the Emperor in SW did.
I soloed Ilum completing all of the objectives.
30 sentinel ,40 Shadow, 18 Scoundrel
Why cant we win at WZ's Universe at war RPGPVP progression Re-install DX9 for better perf?

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Brutem
02.06.2012 , 03:38 PM | #172
Quote: Originally Posted by TheRFC View Post
Pulling up videos of those who effectively cheat (IMO) still doesn't take away from the legitimate hours and days that people have put into the game to earn their gear.
While i would like to belive there were alot of players whom attained their gear, from a legitimate way, the reality from what i have seen from personal experiences in the game differs greatly. Those who skipped content to grind to 50 like the OP, to grind lowbies for a month so they could get a gear advantage. At the end of the EA every wz i remember seeing had 4+ lv 50s pre dec 20th. By early Jan, the number was more of 6+. 1.1 drops, those whom have attained some/all of the BM gear are now farming fresh 50s. The way all of this was handled by Bioware from the start was just one big cluster of crap with expertise being the center of it.

The fresh 50s either:

a) stick with the grind of being fodder

or

b) kill trade so they can get gear and be competitive

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vrok-
02.06.2012 , 03:40 PM | #173
Quote: Originally Posted by Malice_Nihilim View Post
They were generally the 'first of there kind' and all hit around the same time. The current system suppresses the desire of new 50's from PvPing, and even those that want to stick it out, its no longer 'weeks' its going to be a lot longer because they can't earn bags because victories are rare, they earn medals slowly so they can't buy the bags, soooo how are they going to gear up?
Stop exaggerating. My alt hit 50 last Monday and now has 10.2% expertise. Victories are only rare because of bad players so get your own premade. Most BMs barely even play tons of warzones any more because there's no point after your daily three wins.

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Brutem
02.06.2012 , 03:40 PM | #174
Quote: Originally Posted by vrok- View Post
That's fine, but don't whine about getting outgeared then, because that's not the issue.
So your solution for 50s without gear is to kill trade in Ilum? lol

Quote: Originally Posted by vrok- View Post
Most BMs barely even play tons of warzones any more because there's no point after your daily three wins.
So kill trade to get gear and then no longer do pvp? You consider kill trading actual pvp?

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TheRFC
02.06.2012 , 03:43 PM | #175
Quote: Originally Posted by CrunchyGremlin View Post
I agree with this in as much that PvP has inadequate content.

Having gear destruction/drops would add some player content but there is a need for more reasons to fight.

novelty goods help. but more worlds to conquer is where it needs to go.

you know it would be pretty awesom to be able to achieve a title that gives you the ability to buff the server with a darkside buff. like the Emperor in SW did.
I think what BW needs to learn is that WoW had a long time w/o a rival, or any effective one. BW doesn't have the luxury of drawing out this game over anything like as long a time-period. WoW had what? 10 years before most people started leaving in droves. BW will need to condense this A LOT. None of this 1 new WZ stuff every 6 months or something.

I really can understand people's frustration at hitting L50 and feeling like they've back at L10 and only just allowed into WZs in the first place, but overall more content is needed for PvP, lots, lots more.

The world PvP has failed IMO. I've no reason to go to Ilum now. I've got some Champion gear and the rest Centurion. I cba to do the boring Daily there when I may see 2 Reps during the bore-fest of collection 'ammunitions' for 45mins to an hour and a half (if I'm stupid enough not to wait until the early hours to do it). Ilum is depressing to look at, it's too large for many server sizes and there's no way to organise these things.

New planet, smaller area, meaningful and rewarding objectives and organisation. Where are the realm forums so big bust ups can be arranged?? It may seem skant excitement for long-term MMORPGers but that would be like losing my virginity again compared to the current Huttball grind. 'Now listen up, these are the rules of Huttball...'

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Skylancewalker
02.06.2012 , 03:45 PM | #176
Always the people who suck at pvp that complain about the gear, I do just fine on my alt i just hit 50 with in pvp against battlemasters. They should be better they worked for their gear and spent alot of time (unless they exploited) for it as well.

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vrok-
02.06.2012 , 03:47 PM | #177
Quote: Originally Posted by Brutem View Post
So your solution for 50s without gear is to kill trade in Ilum? lol
No? You can do it just fine legitimately if you want to and you're not a scrub or a quitter. Most people just seem to come here with 13k HP and lvl 40 gear and whine about wanting 'equal gear' though and don't seem to give a **** about anything else.

Quote: Originally Posted by Brutem View Post
So kill trade to get gear and then no longer do pvp? You consider kill trading actual pvp?
You're the apparent kill trading expert here who has done thorough research on the subject. That doesn't happen on my server at all, and if it did, I wouldn't give a **** about it.

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Cutmaster
02.06.2012 , 03:53 PM | #178
yeah...give everyone BM pvp gear for free !!

Since I donīt have the time to farm HM/Nightmare mode FP all day, just give me the Rakata gear. I feel people with rakata gear have an easier time in instances.

It should be an even playing field !

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RobNightfall
02.06.2012 , 03:55 PM | #179
Yes, yes there should. The BM's should be more skilled than the new guys. That is all. Gear should not matter in PvP and did not matter until WoW came out. Keep crying about how you want to hide behind your expertise stat. When this is fixed those of us who can compete against you with either no or much less expertise will be laughing as we wipe you out.
Edited because the devs appear to have fixed at least 80% of the crap that was pissing me off.

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Ancient_karp
02.06.2012 , 03:55 PM | #180
Don't people get that the difference between a BM and a fresh 50 is supposed to be battle experience? Having played that many matches (well, if people weren't cheesing Ilum) you should already have a huge advantage in pvp. Why make the gap even wider by adding a gear differential on top of it.