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SWTOR Damaged My i7 2600K


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Lergash
02.06.2012 , 12:41 PM | #261
Quote: Originally Posted by JingleHell View Post
True enough, but the fact that the OP fried his own rig doesn't mean the game's engine doesn't have trouble. I even tried running single GPU and dropping all clocks to stock, and it made no difference as far as quality of life. My clocks don't cause any of my issues, all my benches and stresses are still fine, no issues with any other games. Ilum, however, is a craptacular slideshow.
Ok, but this thread isn't about fps issues, or hitching, or stuttering, or any other issues some players may be experiencing.

This is about the claim that SWTOR broke someone's hardware; and off topic performance issues reported by other players doesn't have anything to do with that.
IA* I wouldn't venture out there fellas. This sniper's got talent.

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fishybill
02.06.2012 , 12:41 PM | #262
Posts like the OP make me laugh, for example:

Quote:
Actually I'm a PC repair shop owner and I've been involved in the PC industry for many years.
Okay, first impressions, a professional, he must know what he's talking about...

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been able to reliably overclock my processor to 4.5GHz with absolutely no stability issues whatsoever.
Mmmm a 3.4ghz processor running at 4.5ghz for....

Quote:
My system was solid as a rock for at least six months prior
Now you clearly state that it's SW:TOR that has caused your issues? Is it not possible that your motherboard or a component of your severely over clocked system is starting to breakdown after 6 months of abuse?

Emo Rage Quitting So Called PC Professionals.. you make me chuckle!

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blackadda
02.06.2012 , 12:41 PM | #263
Quote: Originally Posted by Wootie View Post
Hmm.. I've been waiting and waiting on a new rig and thought I had decided but now dethman got me thinking again.. maybe I don't need to spend $2400... there seems to be a sweet spot between low and high end rigs that balance fps vs. crashing, etc... I primarly want to do Ilum and Warzones. Any suggestions please private message me...
You can *easily* build a system that will max out this game on a 1900x1200 for under 1k.. assuming you arent buying a monitor too

Actually around $750-$850 including win7 license (Only that high because hard drive prices are sky high at the moment)
"It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles"

-Sun Tzu

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Tjslashhero
02.06.2012 , 12:45 PM | #264
Quote: Originally Posted by CrispyC View Post
I've come to the conclusion that this game is literally dangerous to run on a gaming PC.

I know that can sound hard to believe for some, but let me explain.

To begin, here are my system specs:

Intel Core i7 2600K
Arctic Cooling Freezer 13 Pro heatsink/fan
Gigabyte GA-Z68X-UD7-B3 motherboard
16GB Mushkin Blackline 2133MHz DDR3
2 x EVGA GTX460 1GB in SLI
Crucial M4 128GB SATA3 SSD 6Gb/s
WD Raptor Enterprise 10K RPM SATA3 3Gb/s
Creative XFi Platinum
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Cooler Master HAF932 Gaming Tower
Cooler Master 850W 80Plus Certified PSU
etc.

This is obviously a fairly powerful gaming rig and I built it and maintain it meticulously; actually I'm a PC repair shop owner and I've been involved in the PC industry for many years. I've been an avid gamer since the early 1980's.

I normally do not buy into conspiracy theories nor do I allow my opinion about games to be swayed by anything but my own experiences. But my experiences with this game have convinced me there's something seriously, seriously wrong with it.

I can actually get SWTOR to run quite well on my system. I can maintain 60FPS almost everywhere outside, running at maximum details at 1920x1200 resolution with all quality-improving options in the Forceware control panel enabled. The game plays wonderfully and I have no problem with it as a game itself. I run into frustrating chugging when indoors, curiously fluctuating very rapidly between 59 and 60FPS. This occurs when I'm near walls, inside caves or corridors, inside my ship, etc.

I've done many things and attempted many tweaks to try to alleviate that, but eventually I gave up. I realized that I could just temporarily disable VSync in-game when in those situations to have my framerate shoot up to the high 90's and even 100's which results again in liquid-smooth gameplay. Once back outside, reenable and go along my merry way.

So what's my problem?

I have, previously before playing SWTOR, been able to reliably overclock my processor to 4.5GHz with absolutely no stability issues whatsoever. My system was solid as a rock for at least six months prior, through many hours of maxed out and heavily tweaked Skyrim, through playing Battlefield 3, through RAGE, etc. My system was so stable I could leave it sitting in any one of those games, video cards also healthily overclocked, and not have a single worry.

Lately, however, I've started getting BSOD's in SWTOR. They started getting more and more frequent. I began to worry. The bluescreens even started occurring outside of SWTOR, like when running 3DMark11 or even while just browsing the internet! It should be noted that while playing SWTOR, especially with VSync disabled, my system fans speeds would definitely shoot up, with GPU temps often approaching 80C. This is okay for short gameplay sessions, but definitely not okay for hours on end.

This evening, I was finally able to restabilize my system, now at 4.4GHz, which isn't much to give up, but when you consider that I had to do so simply after a couple of weeks of playing a MMORPG that has such (comparitively) simplistic graphics, it's quite disturbing. I honestly believe that had I not been running a somewhat bullet-proof system, the damage may have been worse. I now need to keep a very careful watch on my rig to make sure everything else is okay.

A word of warning to you all: If this game is pushing your system to its limits, you should ask yourself if it's worth it to risk its reliability in the long term. I have canceled my account, deleted my credit card info from this website, and will be washing my hands of the whole thing. I probably won't be buying another BioWare game ever again, due merely to spite over this.

Good luck. You may want to consider getting out while you can.

BioWare, thanks a lot. You suck.
Probably already been said - but you didn't properly test your OC then ...

OC'ing damaged your CPU - not SWTOR ... if you'd have left it stock, you wouldn't have a problem.

Don't blame the game because it stressed your system more than the 'stress' programs you SHOULD have used to test your OC.

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priest
02.06.2012 , 12:46 PM | #265
Quote: Originally Posted by fishybill View Post
Posts like the OP make me laugh, for example:



Okay, first impressions, a professional, he must know what he's talking about...



Mmmm a 3.4ghz processor running at 4.5ghz for....



Now you clearly state that it's SW:TOR that has caused your issues? Is it not possible that your motherboard or a component of your severely over clocked system is starting to breakdown after 6 months of abuse?

Emo Rage Quitting So Called PC Professionals.. you make me chuckle!
LOL, anyone who has to start a post by providing their 'credentials' loses in my opinion,


"I have worked as an HR/Health Benefits professional for 10 years. I bought a Dell computer from their website. It was on the high end of middle of the road computing, and I bought it on sale. It runs SWTOR without issue."
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Samaul
02.06.2012 , 12:48 PM | #266
Quote: Originally Posted by CrispyC View Post
I've come to the conclusion that this game is literally dangerous to run on a gaming PC.

I know that can sound hard to believe for some, but let me explain.

To begin, here are my system specs:

Intel Core i7 2600K
Arctic Cooling Freezer 13 Pro heatsink/fan
Gigabyte GA-Z68X-UD7-B3 motherboard
16GB Mushkin Blackline 2133MHz DDR3
2 x EVGA GTX460 1GB in SLI
Crucial M4 128GB SATA3 SSD 6Gb/s
WD Raptor Enterprise 10K RPM SATA3 3Gb/s
Creative XFi Platinum
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Cooler Master HAF932 Gaming Tower
Cooler Master 850W 80Plus Certified PSU
etc.

This is obviously a fairly powerful gaming rig and I built it and maintain it meticulously; actually I'm a PC repair shop owner and I've been involved in the PC industry for many years. I've been an avid gamer since the early 1980's.

I normally do not buy into conspiracy theories nor do I allow my opinion about games to be swayed by anything but my own experiences. But my experiences with this game have convinced me there's something seriously, seriously wrong with it.

I can actually get SWTOR to run quite well on my system. I can maintain 60FPS almost everywhere outside, running at maximum details at 1920x1200 resolution with all quality-improving options in the Forceware control panel enabled. The game plays wonderfully and I have no problem with it as a game itself. I run into frustrating chugging when indoors, curiously fluctuating very rapidly between 59 and 60FPS. This occurs when I'm near walls, inside caves or corridors, inside my ship, etc.

I've done many things and attempted many tweaks to try to alleviate that, but eventually I gave up. I realized that I could just temporarily disable VSync in-game when in those situations to have my framerate shoot up to the high 90's and even 100's which results again in liquid-smooth gameplay. Once back outside, reenable and go along my merry way.

So what's my problem?

I have, previously before playing SWTOR, been able to reliably overclock my processor to 4.5GHz with absolutely no stability issues whatsoever. My system was solid as a rock for at least six months prior, through many hours of maxed out and heavily tweaked Skyrim, through playing Battlefield 3, through RAGE, etc. My system was so stable I could leave it sitting in any one of those games, video cards also healthily overclocked, and not have a single worry.

Lately, however, I've started getting BSOD's in SWTOR. They started getting more and more frequent. I began to worry. The bluescreens even started occurring outside of SWTOR, like when running 3DMark11 or even while just browsing the internet! It should be noted that while playing SWTOR, especially with VSync disabled, my system fans speeds would definitely shoot up, with GPU temps often approaching 80C. This is okay for short gameplay sessions, but definitely not okay for hours on end.

This evening, I was finally able to restabilize my system, now at 4.4GHz, which isn't much to give up, but when you consider that I had to do so simply after a couple of weeks of playing a MMORPG that has such (comparitively) simplistic graphics, it's quite disturbing. I honestly believe that had I not been running a somewhat bullet-proof system, the damage may have been worse. I now need to keep a very careful watch on my rig to make sure everything else is okay.

A word of warning to you all: If this game is pushing your system to its limits, you should ask yourself if it's worth it to risk its reliability in the long term. I have canceled my account, deleted my credit card info from this website, and will be washing my hands of the whole thing. I probably won't be buying another BioWare game ever again, due merely to spite over this.

Good luck. You may want to consider getting out while you can.

BioWare, thanks a lot. You suck.
As an experienced overclocking enthusiast, I can say with assurance that the problem here is pilot error.

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blackadda
02.06.2012 , 12:55 PM | #267
Quote: Originally Posted by JingleHell View Post
True enough, but the fact that the OP fried his own rig doesn't mean the game's engine doesn't have trouble. I even tried running single GPU and dropping all clocks to stock, and it made no difference as far as quality of life. My clocks don't cause any of my issues, all my benches and stresses are still fine, no issues with any other games. Ilum, however, is a craptacular slideshow.
Ilum is on the Devs radar and is a SERVER side issue .. they have already said they are figuring out how many people the instance can handle before the performance issues occur for PVP(power lag, players warping..etc)

Once they figure that bit out they are going to adjust the player population cap needed before 2nd/3rd/4th instances of Ilum spawn.

So yeah, that one wont be fixed untill server side optimisations are done (mixed PVE/PVP instance specific)
"It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles"

-Sun Tzu

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blackadda
02.06.2012 , 12:59 PM | #268
Quote: Originally Posted by Samaul View Post
As an experienced overclocking enthusiast, I can say with assurance that the problem here is pilot error.
AKA Prime95//Orthos is your friend if your CPU overclock isnt stable.. as is OCCT and several other CPU stress test tools

"It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles"

-Sun Tzu

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JingleHell
02.06.2012 , 01:05 PM | #269
Quote: Originally Posted by blackadda View Post
Ilum is on the Devs radar and is a SERVER side issue .. they have already said they are figuring out how many people the instance can handle before the performance issues occur for PVP(power lag, players warping..etc)

Once they figure that bit out they are going to adjust the player population cap needed before 2nd/3rd/4th instances of Ilum spawn.

So yeah, that one wont be fixed untill server side optimisations are done (mixed PVE/PVP instance specific)
It's not all server-side, unless there's some seriously stupid stuff going on with the engine. Shadows (such as they are) affect it some, although it's pretty insignificant. Besides, I'm talking about actual client FPS, not just noticeable server side lag. I monitor constantly with Precision's OSD, so unless there's something screwy going on in the client-server interaction that restricts my FPS to 10 when the server has trouble, I'm talking engine problems.

But overall, I agree that the OP screwed his own pooch, since anyone running a rig like that should be monitoring everything in realtime, and adjust as needed. Even if the game pushes your hardware further than other software for whatever reason, it's on the user to protect their rig when pushing the limits.
One to embody the power, the other to crave it.

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battlee
02.06.2012 , 01:16 PM | #270
my GFX card probaly got finished off by this game ( using my old 1 now ) the gigabyte 560oc Ti began locking up with black screen flickering and totaly system lockup after the latest patch, i put in my old gpu and not a single issue anymore, so it's either the card that gave up ( had some fan issue's ) or the game killed it, will get that determined in a few days. it maked my GPU's fan speed + heat + usage go wild as hell, i took a screen of it, after i managed to kill the game, before it locked up the computer.

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