The number crunch desire, why?

I DPSed Hammer Station yesterday on my level 18 Commando and we had a Sentinel that was level 14. Were we probably carrying him through the FP because he was lower level than everyone else (18, 19 and 22 for the others)? Sure. Do I care? Nope. Everything died just fine.


If things are dying, I'll carry you all day. Just stay out of the bad and don't break CC and we're good.

So in other words you dont want a recount or similiar things because people would use them to actual make themselves better at the game. Instead you would rather everyone play at your crappy level because your having fun.

Do you ever try to get better at anything you do ever?

Unless you closed your eyes when selecting skills, you've crunched numbers to determine how to play your class.

There is a big dfifference in choosing a skill tree based on "doing 10% more damage with Saber Swing" and dumping combat logs into a spreadsheet for analysis.

The difference is between playing the game or playing the system. They are two very different things.

Generally speaking, most of us play to escape the real world at some level. Some want to shrug off pressure and responsibility and just play for fun without worrying about nuance while others seek control over the game's world that they might not have over their own life. There are lots of people along the spectrum between and many who will play for either reason depending on what day it is. The desire for number crunching would seem to come out of the part of us looking for consistency, security and control.

This is the problem actually. Now, I don't want to say you're a bad player or don't put any effort into it etc, but you're statement pretty much sums it up: Why would the average player bother with figuring out how to play his/her class well, if there is no way to tell?

Let me clarify on this before everyone starts flaming about elitist dps jerks etc:

Encounter design in SWTOR is pretty simple right now, there are only a few abilities, if at all, there are just ae skills that bother melee by knocking them back. So "movement" is not an indicator for skill really.. but every damn boss has an enrage timer. So DPS actually matters very very much in the current content but you have no way to tell if you're doing well, no way to tell if your tank is building enough threat (sometimes I draw aggro on a boss 2 times although I reset it completely once [can't do it for quite some time afterwards though]), no way to tell if your healers are healing the right targets or for the right amount.

Right now everyone just runs around guessing what's good or what's not and if your grp or raid can't kill a boss due to enrage timer you just stand there and don't know why. You don't know if your performance is good or you need to improve.. I don't find this as relaxing as you do though, I find it frustrating having to guess while trying to down a boss or build a raiding guild with the goal being to get bosses on NM down regularly, now and in future content without being able to tell a bad player from a good player.

Same goes for random.. it's not that much fun running around with a few strangers and wiping due to enrage timers not knowing who's "fault" it is or if with your current gear and performance you are actually able to down bosses like the Sith Entity in false emperor or others with enrage timers like HK-47 maybe etc.

I like doing the math on specs and analyzing logs and all that stuff in order to improve my own performance or the performance of an individual raidmember. Not everyone does and they don't have to, but I don't see the problem with enabling it for the part of the community that wants to play this way. So many people are afraid of swtor becoming another game with GearScore addons etc although before GS there was "meet at dala fountain for gear inspection", just took you longer. When playing with random guys and wanting to finish the FP some people will always figure out a way to rule out other players they don't find desirable, with or without addons.

But the way it is now people simply don't care about their performance which becomes a problem... I know I'm the minority here as someone who just wants those tools for himself and a raid and doesn't care much what other people do, bcause back in wow there war always these wannabe elitists who'd point out your "mistakes" and whatnot in a very annoying way.

I don't understand your post. It seemed like you were going to make some sort of argument about how a DPS Meter isn't indicative of your abilities in a raid...but then you basically just went on to brag about how you pwnzrd Onyxia.

If you're topping a damage meter in a raid, then it's safe to assume you know how to play your class well. The only way you could suck and still top a DPS meter, is if everyone else in your raid sucked too. But that would quickly become apparent -- if all your DPS are =/- 10% of eachother, and you're hitting an enrage timer, then it doesn't take a genius to recognize it as a systemic problem.

If you're DPS on a fight, and assuming there's no alternative objectives in the fight (ie. hit that switch when X happens, or don't hit Y when X happens), you only have two personal goals: 1) Top the DPS chart and 2) Don't die. So yes, a DPS meter is a great tool for determining value in raids.