What does the 1-49 bracket teach us about PVP gear?

Almost 50 pages of the same people thinking they know how to create a game more successfully than BioWare does, by removing one of the key elements that keeps subscriptions rolling.

Don't fool yourselves into thinking people will pay $15 a month to play for "fun"

You know, with 50 pages of this, I'm not gonna read through it all, but I rerolled with the idea of filling a raid spot for my guild and truly began enjoying pvp again in the 10-49 bracket for two reasons:

First, and this has been said I'm sure, it is more fun and less gear based. You find that a good pvper, no matter the level, can beat you. But you can beat them by being better. It's not only a great way to learn your class, but it takes the grind out of pvp and puts a little bit more competitiveness back into it.

Second, grinding out 30 valor levels in the 50 bracket took it out of me, and I didn't care anymore about it. But being valor = level capped all the way up to 50 is quite enjoyable, and really it is the only way I see myself, as a semi-leisurely paced leveler and not the most intense pvp grinder, to be able to hit that BM valor rank while still enjoying myself. I also feel like now, when I hit the 50 bracket, I'll have something to show for it, with all of the pvp gear I will have amassed, some expertise enhancements, and 1k/1k comms to buy 5 bags (with one in the bank + the immediate 2x dailys + 2x weeklys) straight off the bat and maybe snag a piece of cent/champ gear (being sure to open said bags when the new patch hits).

I mean, sure the 50 bracket might be full of BMs right now, and it's sad to see so many people being able to grind out to the higher valor levels so quickly already, because it doesn't leave much room for expanding PvP gear in the future without having the same issue we do now of too many people with full BM sets, but things are getting better as time progresses. Hopefully future PvP gear will create a better flow of the expertise system, but that is solely in BioWare's hands.

Yeah, I'd rather pay $15 a month to 'work'.

You can call me a troll but actually Call of Duty(multiplayer) is a kind of pvp game and mostly successful at it. You lvl up(kinda valor lvl), you get gear, you get new skills(perks) o the way and still it doesn't effect the game balance between a lvl70 and lvl1.

I want variety differs from the current available pvp sets. Like crit heavy, power heavy, surge heavy on them. I don't like being powerful via gear, just want to be unique. Everyone does... So give me options, give me a couple of cool looking gear to chose for, a nice variety of mods(avaliable for all 50s) for my grind and let me prove myself in the field in equal circumstances. PvP looks like atm: grind X time kill a,b / grind Y time kill a,b,c. This is really old and doesn't fit the casual playerbase of today.

Grinding should give me more options to chose so I can built up my character to my liking and playstyle. Big companies like Bioware should be brave about relasing a game like this. All i can see here is copy/paste in SWToR stlye. I'm giving my respect to Rift and GW for building new mechanics over the old ones. They bring some variety and improvement to the PvP genre.

If you honestly believe that..

i dont even..

huh.

We understand, go use yer crutch please.

You joined late. YOUR FAULT, no one elses. early bird gets the worm. You line up to get the new ipad/iphone but there are people who were there days before you, so when you finally get in to the store they tell you,
"We are all sold out".
IT IS YOUR FAULT!
It is not cheating. It is not an exploit. Im not in full battlemaster, I am 2 pieces off full champ with no battlemaster. Am I crying? No. I had to earn my bags and my gear. yes for a good part of my WZ's it was a mix of 10-50's which meant the chances of fighting someone who was geared up was reduced... IT WAS YOU who whinged and wanted the 50 bracket. You got it. Meanwhile I was one of the 50's with no gear fighting people who were, and still fighting people who are geared. Without a peep.

So you blame everyone else because you were a late starter. I"TS NOT FAIR!"

Soon there will be Skill brackets too. Meaning you wont have to fight big "geared" bullies like me. Not to mention your bags will give centurion AND Champ commendations so you can buy champ pieces that I have had to earn. Hell you'll be ablbe to buy your battlemaster kit too. But WE GOT IT EASY!?!?!?


Really? So in Cod, the game which you say is all about skill not gear, we have a mexican stand-off. Both of us are in the open, both of us have the same traits/abilities, we both have the same amount of health/armour, we both aim at the centre of seen mass, and both fire at the same time... Only difference is you are firing a pistol and I fire a grenade launcher...

I lose a small amount of health/armour... you die... instantly... Like the noob you are, because my GEAR IS BETTER THAN YOURS!

In real life you are using a M4 carbine. A magazine fed, air cooled, assault rifle capable of both semi-automatic and automatic fire, using a 5.56mm x 45mm standard NATO F1 ball round, with a muzzle velocity of 930m/sec and effective fire up to 300m (400m section fire) if using standard ADI ammunition. You have stage 3 body armour with ballistic plates.
I am carrying a Blazer .338, magazine fed, single shot, bolt action, sharpshooter rifle. I have stage 3 body armour with ballistic plates.
We stand off at 100m, take aim at the center of scene mass, both pull the trigger at the same time and both find our mark... We both go down... Only difference is I get back up. Because my ballistic plates stop your single stirke from your 5.56x45mm round whilst my .338 not only shatters your ballstic plate but blows a fist sized hole out your back, and if you are really unlucky passes straight through the otherside of you ballistic vest (unless striking you back plate)
GEAR WINS AGAIN.

Yes, you could run around, hide behind cover, be a ninja and kill a rank 70 guy when you are rank 1... In SWTOR you can beat a geared toon using a non-geared toon. Its hard but its possible. I have seen it. The fact that you dont seem to think you can means you have never done it. Which means you are not half as skilled as you think you are.

And even if you are skilled, you are only as good as your perform on the day. Even Bruce Lee could lose a fight against some homeless grandma in a scrap... Its unlikely but as mentioned anyone can have a bad day.


There is no such thing as an even playing field. EVER. You have the same equipment someone has the iniative, the higher ground, cover, are better adapted to the environment, the weather, someone is better hydrated, better fed, has better morale, has more experience, knows the layout of the ground, has that little bit of extra willpower... In gaming sense the have a better latency menaing recuded lag... Not to mention someone can have pure 100% LUCK!!!!!!

I'm all up for gear progression but 10-15% mitigation and extra damage? Why such a big advantage on top of the stat boost and armour/barrel? I'd settle for as little as 3%. I'd rather give my opponent a fair fight. If you don't get a decent fight on reasonably even ground, where's the challange? Where's the point? Unless of course you were a school bully and got your kicks beating up little kids.

Warhammer's death knell was sounded when they added a fake expansion that boosted the level cap from 80-100 and included two retardedly overpowered gear sets that had to be nerfed in the end. Not that it mattered, the damage was done, those who didn't quit from being 2-3 shotted, gave up on the monster grind to avoid it. Oh and before the gear whorez start pointing fingers. I made it to rr100, got the gear and quit the game because I was 2-3 shotting people. It's just plain dull after the comedy factor wears off.

I miss the day of my White Lion. Running around carrying "star breaker" was awesome. Was even more fun watching ppl run away from my pet yet alone my toon. I miss my Warpforged gear.

What I learned from 10-49 bracket: No PvP gear == more fun

Having said that: I got lucky with my champion bags and have now ~500 expertise a few days after I dinged 50. But still, the 10-49 bracket was way more fun. In the lower brackets even a Level 20 could be useful, a brand new level 50 or a unlucky guy has no chance whatsoever!