Pvp gear nerfs are you freaking kidding?!

real PvPers doesnt care about gear.. in ideal situation - all players have access to same gear / equipment.. if game doesnt allow that, then we should care only to the point where is necessarily..

just saying how ridiculous the first post.. is..

I completely agree with the OP.

The problem with PvP is not the gear itself. The problem is in-experience.

I am Valor Rank 66. I have full Battlemaster PvP gear except the belt and off hand.

However, I do not wear all of my PvP gear in Warzones. I wear the Imperial Trooper outfit that can be purchased from the Collectors Edition Vendor. I took various armoring, mods, and enhancements out of extra Champion/Columi gear to make the gear worth using. I'm still at the top of the charts in PvP. The problem is not the gear. The problem is experience with PvP.

I completely agree with the OP.

The problem with PvP is not the gear itself. The problem is in-experience.

I am Valor Rank 66. I have full Battlemaster PvP gear except the belt and off hand.

However, I do not wear all of my PvP gear in Warzones. I wear the Imperial Trooper outfit that can be purchased from the Collectors Edition Vendor. I took various armoring, mods, and enhancements out of extra Champion/Columi gear to make the gear worth using. I'm still at the top of the charts in PvP. The problem is not the gear. The problem is experience with PvP.

A new 50 going up against a seasoned 50 will always lose, regardless of PvP gear. All Bioware is doing is pissing off the people who worked for there gear and enjoy using it.

Now some of you may take that and say "Well you just supported what Bioware was doing." This is incorrect. What I'm saying is you should not take the rewards a player has worked hard for away from them merely to please other players who are inexperienced.

Nerfing the PvP gear is not the answer.

Ranked Warzones is the answer.

Then, why not wear the 49 and 50 blues that those who hit 50 are wearing, if gear means nothing?

I've been pvping for a long time, and frankly, anyone who says gear doesn't mean anything doesn't know squat about numbers. Can I beat someone in better gear than me? Of course- can I beat someone as good as I am in better gear? No.

I have most of my gear by now- and I'm not insane enough to think the gear makes no difference in what I can do. I could top medals, yes, without any pvp gear- but, I can get more now, more often- I win 1v1 fights far more often, I heal harder, faster- I hurt much more.

It's not a small difference- taking 15% less damage, hitting 15% harder, healing 15% more, all the while having far more crits, harder crits, doing more damage on non crits- and having another 5k health... yeah- I guarantee you if I had this gear the moment I hit 50, I'd have been very effective back then too.

I don't really care about pvp gear becoming easier- if anything, it's a good thing because it'll make it more about skill than gear. That so many people are up in arms about it makes the message pretty clear- people know they can't win once other people are as geared as they are.


The bigger joke is people saying they 'worked so hard early on for it'- you're not fooling anyone, we were all there seeing you get it by powerlevelling to 50 then auto winning games with 50 premades. You had the easiest pvp gear possible- it's the current pvpers who have to get their gear through people with 50% more damage and health than they have that are doing the really hard gear grind.

I've literally run around the WZ with just the Columi Stalker head piece (the horned head piece), with my implants, offhand and main hand of course, and still killed people 1v1.

It's all about knowing your class, and knowing the class your fighting. You say you want a more even playing field. Ranked Warzones would create a more even playing field.

You can't fix stupid.

I completely agree with the OP.

The problem with PvP is not the gear itself. The problem is in-experience.

I am Valor Rank 66. I have full Battlemaster PvP gear except the belt and off hand.

However, I do not wear all of my PvP gear in Warzones. I wear the Imperial Trooper outfit that can be purchased from the Collectors Edition Vendor. I took various armoring, mods, and enhancements out of extra Champion/Columi gear to make the gear worth using. I'm still at the top of the charts in PvP. The problem is not the gear. The problem is experience with PvP.

A new 50 going up against a seasoned 50 will always lose, regardless of PvP gear. All Bioware is doing is pissing off the people who worked for there gear and enjoy using it.

Now some of you may take that and say "Well you just supported what Bioware was doing." This is incorrect. What I'm saying is you should not take the rewards a player has worked hard for away from them merely to please other players who are inexperienced.

Nerfing the PvP gear is not the answer.

Ranked Warzones is the answer.

So versus equally skilled people, what about gear, do they count? Ofc they do and they make a BIG difference. Some more expertise, some extra HP, will make a BIG difference in e.g. a situation where you will either survive the burst and get healed up or NOT survive it, die and potentially cause your group to wipe. Likewise, extra DPS, extra burst, etc count too.

If a well performed DPS switch can kill a member of your group in 1-2 GCDs, giving you no time to respond and guard him, taunt, stun someone, heal him, etc... then your skill does not matter. So in order for your skill to actually matter, you NEED GOOD GEAR, gear that will give you time to respond to your opponent team's actions. Not better gear then them, but equal or about equal gear.

These are basic stuff and need no explaining, you already know them but you choose to ignore them. OFC skill and knowing how to play in a group (different than solo pvp) matters the world, but you DO need gear in order for your skill and expertise to surface.

Speaking about versus stupid or terrible players... what's the point? The point is versus people that play decently, good or excellent. In all these situations, gear make a BIG difference and ofc I am talking about group vs group play and not for silly 1v1's.

Finally, about PvE gear, no PvE piece should be better (speaking in overall value) than the best PvP piece available for that slot. This under normal circumstances and not when someone is after a very specific setup (e.g. maximize endurance or get access to a specific PvE set bonus, etc), his choice to do such a thing STILL he should be penalized. How? By PvP gear being BETTER for PvP, in overall value, than PvE ones.... Are they now? I doubt it. How to fix that? Buff Expertise more and nerf the stats accordingly.

So let me get this straight,

People who dedicate 75% or more of there time in game to pvp just to get the gear and strategies down in the warzones.Now have all there hard work and time spent absolutely dumped on because?

Players that hit 50 and didn't spend any of there time pvping are getting beat beacuse they don't have any gear


NO CRAP ! You didn't spend anytime toward it why would you expect to be able to compete against people who spent a majority of there daily time online even before 50 pvping?!

Time and time again I see people with valor ranks less than 20 WHINING and crying in the warzones about getting beat by people who were better geared.

NEWS FLASH - ....DUH

What about the countless number of people who are geared in pvp and barely have any Columi/Rakata gear!? I only have 2 pieces of PVE Gear - So someone who's pvp'd twice or maybe 3 times with no pvp gear

BUT - A full set of columi gear can hold there own agiasnt a person who's valor 65 and worked extremely hard just to get geared out in battlemaster gear.

Thats ridiculous I agree that people should be on a level playing field in PVP but they should HAVE TO WORK FOR IT JUST LIKE WE DID.

Handing them a free ride doesn't fix the fact that they didn't put in the time and I know this is long winded but GIVE ME A BREAK this is BS

The whole reason Bioware is doing this is to even the playing field against new 50's. My entire post was based on me vs new 50's, not me vs seasoned 50's. I agree with you, against a fully geared BM I don't think I could beat him while I'm weaing crappy gear, as long as he is good at pvp. But getting to BM, the correct way, takes a lot of time. Therefore, one can assume that a BM is good at PvP.

This is why I stated that:

Ranked Warzones is the answer.

Edit: And no I play an Assassin (check my sig)