NOW = 1.7 Million Active Subscribers | 3 Months from now = Guess What

Uh, what do you mean "yeah...right"?

i like how your numbers changed from 126...you fail

i googled the number of servers and didn't realize those were just the NA servers. which was mentioned just above your post. work on your reading skills, bro.

I mean that it's most certainly not right.

That depends on the goal. If my goal is to win this debate, as if it were a debate class exercise, I might ask you for visual aids, which aren't evidence. We both know that a screenshot is no more reliable than simply stating his results.

But if my goal was simply to win a debate, I might ask for what you're asking for.

However, if my goal was to actually know whether or not you're telling the truth, I would have absolutely no alternative beyond testing it myself.

Your request indicates that you're not interested in the truth. It indicates that you're interested in winning the debate. Which was my original point.

The ONLY way I can know if what you're claiming is true is by testing it myself. That's it. That's the ONLY way. There is no other proof. So asking for anything else is just a debate tactic. It's an effort to win, not an effort to know whether or not he's telling the truth.

If they don't fix win / kill trading in Ilum, then every person who wanted to PvP in this game will cancel - that is for sure.

Ilum is a joke. Lvl 11 there last night, repub, character of a imp's 50 second account, killing it for valor and daily / weekly. Not only that it is clear that he had a 3rd party program because I would see it at the respawn point, then disappear, then the location via chat, then respawn. Over, and over, and over.

So....win trading is ok. Rolling low levels, sneaking them through the zone, camp them, finish dailies, reap rewards.

Oh...population imbalance is a close second. I can over look that part but until you fix the freaking kill trading or put diminishing returns on valor out in Ilum you can kill the pvp player base goodbye.

Probably only 1% but still.

Oh geez. Just go away. You still won't even address what I'm actually saying.

Almost everyone really interested in pvp will probably leave for GW2 anyway (and let's face it a major part of the community in this game comes from WoW and will probably leave for MoP as well, even if they deny it now), so maybe they figure they could spend the resources somewhere they will matter more.

Apparently, I don't understand what you're saying, which isn't uncommon with me. I can be pretty dense sometimes. Please explain how I'm wrong here. I promise to keep an open mind.

To me, It sounded like you were asking for evidence that you admitted you wouldn't accept, even if it was provided. What's the point in doing that? You said that it was "likely unprovable."

I said, if you really want to know if it's true, it's totally provable. He showed you how to replicate it. That would prove it far better than posting a sreenshot that wouldn't prove anything.

If I'm missing something here, please don't hesitate to explain it. Like I said, I can definitely be dense sometimes. I just don't understand why you're asking for evidence that you said yourself you wouldn't accept on something that you said yourself is likely unprovable.

I was just clarifying that he gave you the exact way to prove or disprove it.

What am I missing?

The 1.7 million are not logged in at the same time so to expect 8000 people on each server is wrong.

They did say that 1 million different account log on each day for 4 hours average so you can expect 1,000,000 x 4 / 24 / 215 = 775

For all the server that dont ever reach 250 players at any time of the day would mean that the others servers would have to make up for that average.

Still dont see that either. Yes at peak times there are probable some servers with 2000 players on them but they allone probable dont meet the 775 average for their server alone with the times they only have 100-300 people on in some hours.

Just dont see how anyone can assume that 1.7 million people are actually playing the game. They might have 1.7 million active subs but thats not what we are questioning.

Yes and they all log on at the same time... oh wait, no they don't. On average there are 1 million unique log ins a day with a play time of 4 hours on average.