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SWTOR Damaged My i7 2600K


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renegadeimp
02.05.2012 , 09:11 AM | #91
Quote: Originally Posted by GorosGoW View Post
I've been overclocking and tweaking PC's for 20 years and from what you described you are suffering data loss and corruption from an unstable overclock.

While it's great that you can play those other games overclocked and not have issues, I can also tell you that MMO's don't function the same way as FPS or RTS games and that your issues are overclock related.

With your overclock enabled, run 24 hours of Memtest 86+, if you pass that your memory side of the OC is fine and won't need voltage, speed, or timing adjustments. If it fails, you need to slow it down or crank up the volts (but don't exceed 1.6v on your voltage or you'll nuke your processor). If you throw red, you've been corrupting your data slowly until it's gotten you where you are now.

Then boot into windows and run 24 hours of Prime95 x64 on torture test. If one or more cores stop working during the test, your processor side of the overclock is bad and you've been corrupting your data this entire time, until it got so bad you BSOD.

After Prime95 x64, run 8 hours of OCCT Linpack. It will push your processor temperatures through the roof, so be ready to shut the system down as it emulates a full load and if heat's the issue, this will find it (I ended up going to a Noctua DH-14 to pass my OCCT Linpack).

Then, run OCCT GPU Linpack, as it will do the same thing and identify issues in your cooling on your cards.

If you fail any step of that process, YOUR OVERCLOCK IS UNSTABLE AND NEEDS TO BE FIXED.

It took me over a week to get my current overclock stable, and I had to go so far as to tweak GTLVREF lane voltages to stabilize the system.

Good luck.
Very good advice here. But i guarantee that someone is going to come in here and say they shouldnt have to do it just to play this game, when infact this procedure is considered normal for pretty much any form of overclocking.
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mArchangel
02.05.2012 , 09:16 AM | #92
Quote: Originally Posted by Sippix View Post
Why was I quoted? I didn't say that overclocking my card has given me significantly more frames over a stock clock. With an overclock to the video card I NEVER get temps over 68c, EVER, even with my stock EVGA fan cooler assembly - That's what I was driving at. What do your stock clock GPU temps get to, since you're mentioning cut scenes?

I built a system that performs great and has never had a single stability issue, even running DDR3 memory at 1866@9-9-9-28 (on an 800MHz clock with 1.654v) utilizing the weird imc i5's have.

Oh, by the way, the "K" Intel chips have fully unlocked multipliers and were specifically designed to be overclocked and are otherwise no different than the non"K" counterpart.

P.S.: So tell me again about how you don't OC your system but you still bought a K-branded processor? How much did that extra letter cost you?
1. This game is so low on CPU that OCing gives you exactly.....NOTHING
2. I do not buy a CPU because it can be OCed-it oc's itself when need be. Never had the need.
3. OCing your GPU is almost always trouble-be it manufacturer OC or yours.
4. Cutscenes show how dangerously hot it can get. I usually have around 69-71 degrees during gameplay on my GTX 570 in SLI-in cutscenes it gets up to 85 easy. BAD! The game is dangerous for hardware....or can be as I said before.

And stop being so antagonistic. I am IT engineer since around 20 years and just tell you out of experience that overclocking is rubbish. It's tinker ****. Trust me if you need it you need a new rig. Not based on SWTOR though. The games code is broken.
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renegadeimp
02.05.2012 , 09:19 AM | #93
Quote: Originally Posted by mArchangel View Post
1. This game is so low on CPU that OCing gives you exactly.....NOTHING
2. I do not buy a CPU because it can be OCed-it oc's itself when need be. Never had the need.
3. OCing your GPU is almost always trouble-be it manufacturer OC or yours.
4. Cutscenes show how dangerously hot it can get. I usually have around 69-71 degrees during gameplay on my GTX 570 in SLI-in cutscenes it gets up to 85 easy. BAD! The game is dangerous for hardware....or can be as I said before.

And stop being so antagonistic. I am IT engineer since around 20 years and just tell you out of experience that overclocking is rubbish. It's tinker ****. Trust me if you need it you need a new rig. Not based on SWTOR though. The games code is broken.
Wait a sec. You have been an I.T engineer for 20 years, yet you still don't understand the reason why people overclock their machines.

I'll give you a clue. It's the same reason people mod their vehicles, or throw in some superchargers or a performance exhaust etc...

They do it because they can and want to see how far they can take their machines.

I very much doubt you've been an IT engineer for 20 years. Maybe a user, but certainly not an engineer.
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Scotland
02.05.2012 , 09:21 AM | #94
Quote: Originally Posted by mArchangel View Post
1. This game is so low on CPU that OCing gives you exactly.....NOTHING
2. I do not buy a CPU because it can be OCed-it oc's itself when need be. Never had the need.
3. OCing your GPU is almost always trouble-be it manufacturer OC or yours.
4. Cutscenes show how dangerously hot it can get. I usually have around 69-71 degrees during gameplay on my GTX 570 in SLI-in cutscenes it gets up to 85 easy. BAD! The game is dangerous for hardware....or can be as I said before.

And stop being so antagonistic. I am IT engineer since around 20 years and just tell you out of experience that overclocking is rubbish. It's tinker ****. Trust me if you need it you need a new rig. Not based on SWTOR though. The games code is broken.
obviously not a very good one.

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Aedronix
02.05.2012 , 09:26 AM | #95
I too have an overclocked i7 2600k @4.5Ghz however in order to maintain stability with Swtor I have had to scale it back to 3.6! This is the only game that cant handle it and im glad im not the only one with the issues. I cannot overclock my CPU and expect Swtor to run more than 20 minutes without crashing.

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Dalfury
02.05.2012 , 09:30 AM | #96
Quote: Originally Posted by CapuchinSeven View Post

Impossible for game to kill systems.
Its possible

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/a...ating-bug.aspx

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GorosGoW
02.05.2012 , 09:31 AM | #97
Quote: Originally Posted by Aedronix View Post
I too have an overclocked i7 2600k @4.5Ghz however in order to maintain stability with Swtor I have had to scale it back to 3.6! This is the only game that cant handle it and im glad im not the only one with the issues. I cannot overclock my CPU and expect Swtor to run more than 20 minutes without crashing.
It's an unstable overclock. Like I said in my last post, if you can't pass the 4 steps of overclock testing, it doesn't matter than you can play a game - you aren't stable and are slowly corrupting the information on your disks until they reach a point of BSOD/reformat/reinstall/start over from scratch.

I guarantee you your "stable" at 4.5 would fail prime95 x64 within an hour.
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renegadeimp
02.05.2012 , 09:36 AM | #98
Quote: Originally Posted by GorosGoW View Post
It's an unstable overclock. Like I said in my last post, if you can't pass the 4 steps of overclock testing, it doesn't matter than you can play a game - you aren't stable and are slowly corrupting the information on your disks until they reach a point of BSOD/reformat/reinstall/start over from scratch.

I guarantee you your "stable" at 4.5 would fail prime95 x64 within an hour.
Yep. With my i5 2500k thats running at 5 GHZ atm, it took around 2-3 days of modifying and testing to get it perfectly stable.

Just wish i had bought better ram originally so i could push it to its absolute max. I know the CPU wouldnt have lasted long under those conditions , but it would have been good seeing those numbers and having something to work towards in the future.
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Lamuse
02.05.2012 , 09:37 AM | #99
Quote: Originally Posted by Sippix View Post
It seems like people with "K" Sandy Bridges are having a rough time operating this game. I've only got an i5 2400 (3.1/3.4TB) and one GTX460 (Aren't those sweet, little cards?) and it sounds like I'm getting far better performance than you are in the areas you described as having difficulty with.

My resolution is 1920x1080@60hz with all setting turned to max and I VERY rarely drop anywhere below 35fps, even when looking out to the horizon on planets such as Taris. Now, my GTX460 has a core overclock to 800 and I nudged the core volts up to 1050 to compensate for that (no driver crashes), but even that shouldn't make me run circles around your 2600K and SLi'd 460's.

My CPU temps spike to 60c and my GPU temps hit ~68c. No liquid cooling, stock cooler on my CPU, Intel TB turned on, XMP memory profiled and seated on a Gigabyte mobo.

Again, seems like the K's are getting the short end of the stick.

Edit: I do have Vsync on or I tear so freakin' bad because I'm using an LCD HDTV as my display.
I'm running an i5 2500k Sandy Bridge on an ASRock Extreme 3 Gen 3 board and have no problem at all with the game, but I don't OC it either. It's running at the stock 3.3 GHz and your temps are right where mine are at. I have Vsync on as well, just because my monitor is only a 60Hz monitor and there is no reason to push it further than 60 FPS that I get.

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mArchangel
02.05.2012 , 09:43 AM | #100
Quote: Originally Posted by renegadeimp View Post
Wait a sec. You have been an I.T engineer for 20 years, yet you still don't understand the reason why people overclock their machines.

I'll give you a clue. It's the same reason people mod their vehicles, or throw in some superchargers or a performance exhaust etc...

They do it because they can and want to see how far they can take their machines.

I very much doubt you've been an IT engineer for 20 years. Maybe a user, but certainly not an engineer.
jeez.

Whether people want to see how far they can drive their machines or not does not matter. It does not help stability. I am IT engineer (MCSE, MCTS, CCNE) and before you tell me anything else I would take heed. I know very precisely what I am talking about just do not have the time nor motivation to write an essay on here and go into any further detail. It's a waste of my time. I gave my recommendation. Take it or leave it. In a corporate world in which nothing matters more than stability and reliabilty you would never find any such thing. What anyone does with their own rig is up to each individual, but don't blame software being unstabile if you induce such things. That is that.

Nevertheless the game is broken as pointed out multiple times and in order for this half developed product to run stabile you surely would not want to introduce potentially unstable hardware. Period.

So take it or leave it.

And btw. I could not give two hoots about what YOU believe.
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