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Why are so many people against Arena in Swtor?

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Why are so many people against Arena in Swtor?

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iceperson
02.04.2012 , 08:26 PM | #561
Quote: Originally Posted by Xenthum View Post
Hahaha. It's terrible if they have a minimum weekly requirement, it's terrible if they don't have a minimum weekly requirement.

You're easy to please. Enjoy the next MMO you adore and then quit within 3 months, I'm sure it will be a smash hit as well.
No, it's terrible that they most likely dropped the 10 games a week requirement because people hated it enough they wouldn't even participate that much. i'd heard the number of arena teams crashed back in wrath i think, but i had no idea it was so bad they removed the 10 game requirement completely.

tell me, will you still be crying 3 years from now when there's still no arena in swtor? does it make u mad or sad, or both? rofl

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Larudior
02.04.2012 , 08:29 PM | #562
Arena tournament going on right now <3

http://sv.twitch.tv/naoinv

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Xenthum
02.04.2012 , 09:12 PM | #563
Quote: Originally Posted by iceperson View Post
No, it's terrible that they most likely dropped the 10 games a week requirement because people hated it enough they wouldn't even participate that much. i'd heard the number of arena teams crashed back in wrath i think, but i had no idea it was so bad they removed the 10 game requirement completely.

tell me, will you still be crying 3 years from now when there's still no arena in swtor? does it make u mad or sad, or both? rofl
They changed it from retard-proof 10 participation arenas to requiring wins to get your points, and they made it scale upward with rating. So you were required to win more games to reach your improved point cap.

The only problem with WoW Arena is the increased gear it gives you. It should be a fun or cosmetic change only.

Anyone who is against rated arenas that give no power advantage are bad, bitter, or don't PvP in the first place. I can comfortably state that as fact. The "it'll break world pvp!" argument was null the second they announced warzones.

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Ryotknife
02.04.2012 , 09:42 PM | #564
Quote: Originally Posted by Xenthum View Post
They changed it from retard-proof 10 participation arenas to requiring wins to get your points, and they made it scale upward with rating. So you were required to win more games to reach your improved point cap.

The only problem with WoW Arena is the increased gear it gives you. It should be a fun or cosmetic change only.

Anyone who is against rated arenas that give no power advantage are bad, bitter, or don't PvP in the first place. I can comfortably state that as fact. The "it'll break world pvp!" argument was null the second they announced warzones.
that is not the only problem with wow arena, that is one of MANY problems with wow arena.

to me, arenas are the pandora's box of mmo. its safer, not necessarily better, to not implement it. arenas COULD make pvp better and more enjoyable, im not denying that. but there is a better chance that it will make the situation worse without addressing at least 2 key problems.

gear, which many posters have already added wonderful suggestions, and focal point of pvp balance. this was the other thing that ruined wow pvp. sure, not every nerf or buff was pvp-centered in wow, but a good 90% of them probably were. and even worse they were centered mostly around 2v2, a bracket that blizz eventually gave up on balancing because it will always be massively imbalanced.

basically, bioware cant screw up something that doesnt exist.

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Zor-kai
02.04.2012 , 10:29 PM | #565
Quote: Originally Posted by Xenthum View Post
Last you checked was 2009, or the first 2 weeks of Cataclysm, then.
Actually at the beginning of Cata wow had 12mill subs. Now they have 10mill that's still 9mill+ more then SWTOR so obviously they still have a community.
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Whyld
02.04.2012 , 10:32 PM | #566
Quote: Originally Posted by Asamighost View Post
If you want us to take PVP seriously we will need ARENAS.
I dont care about WoW having Arenas or any other game, we as PVPers need them.
One thing is true, they need to fix the current PVP adn the ability delay first.
This just makes you sound like your pvp experience is limited to WoW. Real PVP/RVR games like DAOC had no such thing and are know to be the best player vs player content. You want to test yourself? WZ do that and World PvP does that. The points/previous posts about how arenas distort a game are well made and thought out.

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NoxiousAlby
02.04.2012 , 10:33 PM | #567
Quote: Originally Posted by Sedic View Post
Sorry I am confused, why would players who do not like the arena system claim they do not want it when it is a 100% voluntary action? There is a smaller minority of people who love arena who love the fact that your fighting on a ladder system, that there is zero chance of anyone interrupting your fight and it all comes down to you and your partners skill. Yes of course some balancing would take place on classes all arena would do is put a spot like on the too powerful classes so Bioware may allow balance. World of Warcraft had massive diversity in there classes that caused huge balance issues constantly, Swtor has very very similar mechanics entwined into each class that would save tones of nerf/buff patchs.

Things Swtor could do better to Arena type pvp

-> Same rewards for Arena pvp as all other type battlegrounds? (same gain rate, so people who only like arena dont have to play huttball against/with bots and afks.)

->I always felt the competitive edge of different gear was what made Arena fun the guy with the legendary hit hard that how it was supposed to work. Swtor could simply auto buff stats to the same level (just like low lvls in bgs) so that regardless of your gear it actually did come down to skill.

TLDR : Arenas were fun in wow, a lot of people used them. Why are there masses of people so against in a 100% voluntary action in a game?
I'm all for Arena for players who want to use them as long as it rewards rank, titles, vanity items, but no gear upgrades. That way players arent forced into doing it for the upgrades and only players who enjoy it play.

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Zor-kai
02.04.2012 , 10:46 PM | #568
Quote: Originally Posted by Swaggz View Post
UM...your numbers say nothing about arenas and PvP...it's just subscription numbers. I can use those same numbers and say

11 Million people playing a game with high-end PvE based on raids!

11 million people playing a game with high-end PvP based on FOTM builds/classes!

11 million people playing a game with high-end epeen facter based on no social life

11 million people playing a game with high-end RP based on...well...um....yeah

I think I made my point....
11million compared to 1.7mill.... Nuff said there.
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ursuul
02.04.2012 , 10:51 PM | #569
Quote: Originally Posted by Zor-kai View Post
11million compared to 1.7mill.... Nuff said there.
ooohhhh so we are going with the "if everyone's doing it must be right" mentallity, ya that never ends badly hey while we are comparing games that have been out for 7 years to games that have been out for 2 months.... i think we should scrap the entire format of ToR and implement something closer to farmville. lots of people play that right? i mean lets take one example from that game then relate it to the number of subscribers and imply that they all play for that one reason....

ugh i just got trolled.
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Batercus
02.04.2012 , 10:53 PM | #570
Arenas will lead to MANY class nerfs.